markm Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: We contribute our fair share to Westminster. Westminster overspends and apportions a share of the overspend as our 'debt' even though its spent on things like Trident, HS2 etc But The Republic of Scotland wants to be in EU and NATO so that’s irrelevant. As Scotland would have to spend (plus it employees people in SCOTLAND) and you seem happy with the East Coast Main Line paid for by the UK. So trains suit when it suits? More SNP lies, spin and rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, harkom said: Perhaps truer than ever before - in view of the falling educational standard in scotland? True our education is slipping. Something that needs rectified but university education is still free. How much does it cost in England? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: True our education is slipping. Something that needs rectified but university education is still free. How much does it cost in England? Cos in Scotland, SNP pays for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, markm said: Cos in Scotland, SNP pays for everything. No, I do as do all the other taxpayers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, harkom said: and....???? what then????? you talk as if they are extinct, get to the rivers and see for yourself, instead of talking bull droppings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: True our education is slipping. Something that needs rectified but university education is still free. How much does it cost in England? 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: True our education is slipping. Something that needs rectified but university education is still free. How much does it cost in England? so ...are you saying that educational standards are irrelevant.... just so long as it is "free"? Seems to me that UK gov. and its predecessors have been also dumb in their approach to apportionment from the common purse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, stuartyboy said: No, I do as do all the other taxpayers Yet another ‘SNP’ rhetoric trip up. How many tax payers in Scotland as a proportion of the adult population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: True our education is slipping. Something that needs rectified but university education is still free. How much does it cost in England? Nothing is free , someone is paying for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, billytheghillie said: you talk as if they are extinct, get to the rivers and see for yourself, instead of talking bull droppings! so... how many did ye chap on the head and take home for a feed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, harkom said: so... how many did ye chap on the head and take home for a feed? none, we practice catch and release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, johnphilip said: Nothing is free , someone is paying for it Too true JP..... you, as non-native (= not dyed in the bs) ...are only too well aware that somebody UK has to provide funds for the freeloaders to follow their hedonistic impulses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, harkom said: so ...are you saying that educational standards are irrelevant.... just so long as it is "free"? Seems to me that UK gov. and its predecessors have been also dumb in their approach to apportionment from the common purse? No, I said education has slipped over last few years. But I also said that this needs to be addressed. However, fact is that Scotland has free uni places and some of the best universities in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, billytheghillie said: none, we practice catch and release so... if you have such big runs of wild salmon,,,, why are you releasing them. .. after "playing" them ..on the end of a "nail".... and then going to the supermarket to buy a bit of "stuff" ...packaged and labelled as ....errr...salmon? 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: nd some of the best universities in the UK. ok then... go on ..give me the names and their ranking. (remember Gordon Brown was a product). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, markm said: Yet another ‘SNP’ rhetoric trip up. How many tax payers in Scotland as a proportion of the adult population? 6 minutes ago, harkom said: Too true JP..... you, as non-native (= not dyed in the bs) ...are only too well aware that somebody UK has to provide funds for the freeloaders to follow their hedonistic impulses. Scotlands welfare costs under £3100 per head for benefits and pension. North East England is just under £3300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, stuartyboy said: Scotlands welfare costs under £3100 per head for benefits and pension. North East England is just under £3300. and what are you trying to elucidate with this figure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, harkom said: HMMMmmmm....perhaps you should check up on your "report" 's veracity . .er, just guessin' here but I have to ask did these figures come out of Krankie house? Agree for what I read that is a fair amount of wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, harkom said: so... if you have such big runs of wild salmon,,,, why are you releasing them. .. after "playing" them ..on the end of a "nail".... and then going to the supermarket to buy a bit of "stuff" ...packaged and labelled as ....errr...salmon? ok then... go on ..give me the names and their ranking. (remember Gordon Brown was a product). Do you think I've got the time or inclination to pamper to your needs. Go and Google it yourself Just now, Walker570 said: Agree for what I read that is a fair amount of wishful thinking. If in doubt, check it out. If its wrong, I will double check myself and apologise for unintentionally misleading anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Billy! Billy!...wherefore art thou? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 1 minute ago, harkom said: and what are you trying to elucidate with this figure? That the cost to the British taxpayers for Scottish welfare state is not as bad as is often made out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: Do you think I've got the time or inclination to pamper to your needs. Go and Google it yourself I neither expect nor need your pampering. I only make the point that if you are going to make outlandish claims on a public website that you can actually substantiate your regurgitation of propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just to clarify. I was always a unionist however looking into the facts and figures, it does make a compelling case for Independence for the benefit of Scotland but unfortunately, to the detriment of the UK. The SNP have their faults but a vote for Independence is a also a vote to possibly have a different party in an Independent Scotland Just now, harkom said: I neither expect nor need your pampering. I only make the point that if you are going to make outlandish claims on a public website that you can actually substantiate your regurgitation of propaganda. To be fair, I am trying to respond to several different replies at a time so not capable of proving anything I say at this time. However, I'm putting the info out there. People can take it at face value or look for evidence to support it or dismiss it. If I'm wrong, provide evidence and I will double check and apologise if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Just now, stuartyboy said: Just to clarify. I was always a unionist however looking into the facts and figures, it does make a compelling case for Independence for the benefit of Scotland but unfortunately, to the detriment of the UK. dependent ScotlandThe SNP have their faults but a vote for Independence is a also a vote to possibly have a different party in an In hope that you do not mind me asking.... but I would appreciate a list of your references (independent/ academic) that make a compelling case for Indy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted May 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: Just to clarify. I was always a unionist however looking into the facts and figures, it does make a compelling case for Independence for the benefit of Scotland but unfortunately, to the detriment of the UK. The SNP have their faults but a vote for Independence is a also a vote to possibly have a different party in an Independent Scotland Well fill ya boots fella and good luck to you and everyone else. Ironically, move away from the borders and there is such an anti English feeling it’s unreal. What Scotland doesn’t realise is move away from Northumberland and Cumbria, a lot of the population want shot of you (and a border). I find independence sad, but inevitable. You make your bed and lie in it. The pessimist in me hopes you fail big time. Edited May 7, 2021 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, stuartyboy said: Just to clarify. I was always a unionist however looking into the facts and figures, it does make a compelling case for Independence for the benefit of Scotland but unfortunately, to the detriment of the UK. The SNP have their faults but a vote for Independence is a also a vote to possibly have a different party in an Independent Scotland Some in Scotland may want independence, and I accept that , but the SNP party are not the ones to run an independent country . They can not run a devolved country as it is , they are for ever hand back powers to Westminster, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 stu..boy... I will now defer to the wisdom of G Carlin..... " never argue with ..... only beat you with experience". Have a good weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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