Vince Green Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Tragic as it was to see it on the news today my first thought was what the heck were sixteen people doing in a cable car in Northern Italy in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 maybe on holiday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Holiday at a guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Well at least I could never be in a similar accident cos you would never get me in one of those things. I feel for those poor people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Fortunately very rare occurence. Tragic. Folks out enjoying themselves which is a crime in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Have been on that very cable car and it did get very high in parts. There was a chap on all fours as he could not stand the height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 I am so bad with heights if I stood on a chair for long enough I would fall off. Cable cars don’t bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) Italy supposedly still has 1m mandatory social distancing and is still in lockdown with regulations about enclosed spaces etc In Piedmont where the accident happened regulation is so strict that only 3 people are allowed to travel in an ordinary car. So how come they let 16 into a cable car? Edited May 23, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hafod Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 No social distancing then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, hafod said: No social distancing then seriously? 14 people die in a tragic accident, including a nine year old, a five year old's in surgery fighting for its life unaware that his whole family's probably been killed and that's your comment. Grow a heart, please. What a horrible, horrible thing to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Vince Green said: Tragic as it was to see it on the news today my first thought was what the heck were sixteen people doing in a cable car in Northern Italy in the first place? 7 hours ago, hafod said: No social distancing then The same as, how many are packing into pubs and restaurants at the moment- seen the queues at Passport Control recently? A cable car of this size has a capacity far in excess of 16! Family ‘bubbles’ and what’s to say they weren’t all masked- it’s no different to getting on a bus going from one place to another! Why have we suddenly become so judgemental of others actions and decisions, it’s not as though most of us are aware of current restrictions in other Countries and yet we apply our own criteria or moral high ground ( which is pretty hypocritical judging by comments and actions that I have witnessed) End of the day it’s a tragic loss of life and an awful way to go, so my thoughts are with those that perished and their loved ones and friends left to pick up the pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Weird how a freak accident sees people jump to ‘social distancing’ rather than how a cable car system fails. Indeed, my best guess is no proper maintenance for 2 years. Anyways, here’s the death by age breakdown again to remind everyone under the age of 60 that they have very little to worry about. Indeed, I would add that the percentages stretch even further when you factor in unreported and a-symptomatic cases. Oh and don’t forget the most recent research indicating that 25% of all deaths across all age ranges had cancer. . Edited May 24, 2021 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Hello, I read these cable car rides had just been overhauled in the lockdown, never been on one myself, very sad for the loss of life and families involved, I presume they will have a look into how it happened Edited May 24, 2021 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 A very sad thing to happen. Not being a skiier (or even traveller) the only one I have seen close to is the one up the Great Orme on N. Wales - which seemed slightly pointless as there is also a cable (ground based) tramway, you can drive up in an ordinary car and to walk up was probably only half an hour easy walk for even my 3 score + years. I didn't much like the idea myself as I'm not that good at heights, but the number of passengers carried without mishap worldwide must be enormous. I can only guess that there was some catastrophic mechanical failure - and no doubt they will be investigating to see if other locations might be affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 reporting that the cable snapped...........terrible...and it had just been overhauled.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Vince Green said: Italy supposedly still has 1m mandatory social distancing and is still in lockdown with regulations about enclosed spaces etc In Piedmont where the accident happened regulation is so strict that only 3 people are allowed to travel in an ordinary car. So how come they let 16 into a cable car? Just the frantic pursuit of the Euro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 54 minutes ago, ditchman said: reporting that the cable snapped...........terrible...and it had just been overhauled.. How would it be possible for one of those cables to snap ?, they must be massively strong . Could they corrode from the inside out , with no visible damage/corrosion (until it snapped) , or , could it be lack of lubrication causing twisting etc ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, mel b3 said: How would it be possible for one of those cables to snap ?, they must be massively strong . Could they corrode from the inside out , with no visible damage/corrosion (until it snapped) , or , could it be lack of lubrication causing twisting etc ?. thats excactly what was going thro my mind....i think the core of the cable is made differently as it contains a stiff lubicant.....so the cable shouldnt degrade....but if "stretch or wear was and issue it would have been picked up in the recent inspection....... all i am is some idiot armchair engineer...........but it beggars belief that a cable has snapped..............maybe it has been reported wrong ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Murphy's Law in action (sadly). If can go wrong, it probably will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, ditchman said: maybe it has been reported wrong ?? Pure speculation here, but the Telegraph article quotes a witness as saying they saw the car as 'going back wards' then crashing to the ground when it hit the pylon. From that I've leapt to the conclusion that the tow cable rather than the support cable failed somehow. This meant the car coasted down the support cable and jumped off when it hit the support rollers on the pylon at too high a speed. Again pure speculation on my part. They usually have an automatic brake should the tow cable lose tension (similar to an elevator), so whether this was inoperative or just took a while to take effect... Hopefully the Carabinieri will receive specialist support needed to determine the cause of the accident, in a manner similar to air accident investigations - i.e., determine the cause(s) first and disseminate, do not immediately turn into a criminal investigation. 3 hours ago, Jaymo said: Why have we suddenly become so judgemental of others actions and decisions, it’s not as though most of us are aware of current restrictions in other Countries and yet we apply our own criteria or moral high ground ( which is pretty hypocritical judging by comments and actions that I have witnessed) Well said. Attitude of some on here reeks of sanctimony frankly. Economy has to open up sooner or later or what will be left worth saving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 16 hours ago, Vince Green said: So how come they let 16 into a cable car? Surely the number 16 is irrelevant without further details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 6 hours ago, old man said: Just the frantic pursuit of the Euro? I was on a bus the other day and there was more than 16 passengers, was that just the frantic pursuit if the pound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Horrific whatever the cause/reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 Seems my hunch about the tow cable failing and the e-brake being inoperative was sadly right. From the telegraph Quote Police arrested the owner of the company that manages the cable car route, which connects the town of Stresa with a mountain overlooking Lake Maggiore, as well as its director and manager. Police alleged that they had deliberately used a fork-shaped clamp to disable the emergency brake in order to circumvent problems with the running of the cable car. The emergency brake had been kicking in repeatedly, hampering the operation of the popular funicular route So it went from being an incident that would've been serious (tow cable failing) but certainly not deadly to likely needlessly causing the deaths of 15 people. What a waste of life. Obviously subject to court proceedings, these people being found guilty by a court using due process etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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