ordnance Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I stand by my previous statement below - And ? Who do you know that has lived their life and always done what was required of them in UK law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, ordnance said: And ? Who do you know that has lived their life and always done what was required of them in UK law. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ordnance said: I see, you don't have one Just deflecting. Edited June 11, 2021 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: I see, you don't have one Just deflecting. And if didn't post this, you wouldn't be able to read it. That's as useful to the discussion as your earlier comment. Quote I can 100% guarantee, that if Menezes had done what was required of him in law, then he would not have been shot by the British Police. Are you just making a statement , or do you have you a point. Edited June 11, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, ordnance said: And if didn't post this, you wouldn't be able to read it. That's as useful to the discussion as your earlier comment. More deflection. So was you deflecting, or did you have a point. 16 minutes ago, ordnance said: Are you just making a statement , or do you have you a point My point is in the comment. If he had done what was required of him, he would not have been shot by British Police. It's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Quote My point is in the comment. If he had done what was required of him, he would not have been shot by British Police. It's as simple as that. You are right that is simple, i was giving you the benefit of doubt that you had something useful to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, ordnance said: You are right that is simple, i was giving you the benefit of doubt that you had something useful to say. More deflection, this time with added insults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, ordnance said: OK not a terrorist, suicide bomber, not a threat. How about innocent bystander. " My first suggestion to stop a suicide bomber would be shoot the bomber, not a innocent bystander. Which is what they believed mendez was. So you'd have shot him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Which is what they believed mendez was. So you'd have shot him to. I said was a suicide bomber not believed to be, they were not ordered to shoot him they made that judgment. Unless I was in that situation i can't answer what i would have done, but i would expect to be held accountable for my actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, ordnance said: I said was a suicide bomber not believed to be, they were not ordered to shoot him they made that judgment. Unless I was in that situation i can't answer what i would have done, but i would expect to be held accountable for my actions. So you'd wait to see if a suspected suicide bomber based on seemingly good Intel blows everyone up instead of stopping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: So you'd wait to see if a suspected suicide bomber based on seemingly good Intel blows everyone up instead of stopping them. As i said Quote ( Unless I was in that situation i can't answer what i would have done, but i would expect to be held accountable for my actions) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 44 minutes ago, ordnance said: As i said Quote ( Unless I was in that situation i can't answer what i would have done, but i would expect to be held accountable for my actions) You can't say what you should do, but your stating they should be charged with murder. I think I'll end on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Quote So you'd wait to see if a suspected suicide bomber based on seemingly good Intel blows everyone up instead of stopping them. I would need a bit more that ( suspected ) before i shot someone. Example the guy on London bridge wearing what turned out to be a fake suicide vest, that takes it to a level above suspected. What happened to Mendez shows there needs to be a bit more than suspected, before shooting someone IMO. Edited June 12, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, ordnance said: I would need a bit more that ( suspected ) before i shot someone. Example the guy on London bridge wearing what turned out to be a fake suicide vest, that takes it to a level above suspected. What happened to Mendez shows there needs to be a bit more than suspected, before shooting someone IMO. Going into a situation where it MIGHT be you or him.........make the decision, who’s it gonna be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, ordnance said: I would need a bit more that ( suspected ) before i shot someone. Example the guy on London bridge wearing what turned out to be a fake suicide vest, that takes it to a level above suspected. What happened to Mendez shows there needs to be a bit more than suspected, before shooting someone IMO. That's my fault, he was beleived to be a suicide bomber, bad choice of words by me. But my point stands, so you'd allow possibly 100s of people to be blown up. So by your logic you'd be guilty of the deaths of hundreds of people. Perhaps like me you should stick to bunny bashing, rather than criticising professionals who do a job you know nothing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Mendez shows that running from the police to a crowded public place is a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, WalkedUp said: Mendez shows that running from the police to a crowded public place is a bad idea. Yes if he knew he was running from police, people run all the time to catch trains that hardly makes them terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) On 11/06/2021 at 08:04, WalkedUp said: If he had stopped and spoken to the police like a normal human it would never have happened. Failure of intel not failure of the officer who pulled the trigger. Thats not true Initial contact "Frank" only identified him as "a possible, check him out" subsequent radio transmissions changed that to "target" At the bus stop police said he was not the target and bore no resemblace he did not ever have any contact with police, he swiped through on his travel card subsequent reports that he ran and jumped the barrier were prove to be lies from the police suddenly all CCTV from the station were said to be not working, something the railway staff have always denied. Said the police took it and never gave it back. He was followed to the train and was already under restraint on the floor when he shot eleven times. Witnesses later said no warnings were given, he was already on the floor with his arms pinned, there were five shots, then a long pause and six other shots. Passengers were sprayed with blood. But the key thing is he was on the floor The Met police refused to take part in the police complaints commission investigation into the shooting providing no witnesses or statements. Cressida **** gave the order to kill him Edited June 12, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Thats not true Initial contact "Frank" only identified him as "a possible, check him out" subsequent radio transmissions changed that to "target" At the bus stop police said he was not the target and bore no resemblace he did not ever have any contact with police, he swiped through on his travel card subsequent reports that he ran and jumped the barrier were prove to be lies from the police suddenly all CCTV from the station were said to be not working, something the railway staff have always denied. Said the police took it and never gave it back. He was followed to the train and was already under restraint on the floor when he shot eleven times. Witnesses later said no warnings were given, he was already on the floor with his arms pinned, there were five shots, then a long pause and six other shots. The Met police refused to take part in the police complaints commission investigation into the shooting providing no witnesses or statements. Cressida **** I stand corrected, at the time I am sure we were told he ran from police once they identified themselves. My memory may be incorrect on this but I feel fairly certain that was the narrative in the aftermath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: I stand corrected, at the time I am sure we were told he ran from police once they identified themselves. My memory may be incorrect on this but I feel fairly certain that was the narrative in the aftermath. It was, like Harry Stanley and Marc Duggan the Met police seem to have gone into any orgy of mis information following cock up shootings of innocent individuals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: It was, like Harry Stanley and Marc Duggan the Met police seem to have gone into any orgy of mis information following cock up shootings of innocent individuals You've got that many inaccuracies in your two posts I don't know where to begin, so I'm just not going to bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 I've not been on the forum for a few days.... **** me is this thread STILL going??! Some people would pick a fight with their own shadow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Vince Green said: He was followed to the train and was already under restraint on the floor when he shot eleven times. Witnesses later said no warnings were given, he was already on the floor with his arms pinned, there were five shots, then a long pause and six other shots. Passengers were sprayed with blood. But the key thing is he was on the floor Gosh. So someone is ‘on the floor’ being pinned down then shot and nearby passengers were ‘sprayed’ with blood! Those passengers must have either been very very close ( unlikely when a gaggle of armed police have tackled the suspect down - remember how tense travelling by Tube was back then, most people fled at the sound of a ****), or a lottery ticket needed to be obtained by all those around for a ‘copious’ amount of blood to escape the vicinity of the victim. He was after all, pinned down and the general law of physics as to how far blood under systolic pressure (ok, some explosive momentum would have been introduced) will travel. Me thinks some embellishments from the Media and Prosecution may have been introduced. To me. In love and war, there will always be casualties unfortunately. On a personal note. I don’t know if guilt plays a part in people’s response, but when/if I have heard the Police shout ‘Stop’, I tend to act like Nelsons Column……….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 13, 2021 Report Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jaymo said: I tend to act like Nelsons Column……….. Very wise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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