Dave-G Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, what was all that about with the fluffy toys on the bed ?? That aspect sort of suggests he might be somewhere on the 'spectrum' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) If the Epstein abuse was wholesale and over decades, they have to have a reasonably accurate ‘top offenders’ list by now - flight records cross referenced with what the victims and the staff say (and assuming the gardeners, chauffeurs, pilots, house keepers etc have all got themselves immunity deals and who now understand the gravity of the situation and are speaking freely). If anyone knows where the bodies are buried it’s Maxwell. She’s just been handed a lengthy stretch and if she has any sense she’ll be looking for an earlier out. There are some bells you can only ring once and which you may only want to ring once all other avenues are exhausted. It maybe that we won’t hear from her until after her appeal fails 😆 Epstein with his limitless funds, wealthy and very powerful friends (some no doubt bound to him in blood and or blackmail), track record for beating earlier charges and mysterious sweetheart deal with the FBI has never struck me as the suicide type. What was that Blackadder line - accidentally died when he cut himself shaving and stabbed himself 14 times in the back 😆 Edited January 19, 2022 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Gordon R said: Assuming Trump is right, which you imply is correct, why did Andrew visit? It's a timing thing, Andrew went in 2001 and trump was quoted in 2015 and in the late 90's and into the new millennium Trump and Epstein were travelling about to each others houses and putting on outrageous parties etc for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Andrew has always insisted he never saw anything untoward on his visits. Either Trump or Andrew is lying. I can't think why Trump would lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 But try and pin trump down to explain what he meant by cesspit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I don't expect Trump to explain, but I suspect you and I, plus the rest of the civilised world know just what he meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 All those teddy bears in rows in his bedroom? What's that about? Or was it like the fairground? If his "girlfriends" (allegedly) did well and pleased him they got a choice of any one from the top shelf or any two from the middle shelf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 09/01/2022 at 12:54, Westward said: Agreed. And I think there's more to come out because there has to be a reason why Giuffre wasn't called by the prosecution to give evidence at the trial. At a guess I'd say it's because they didn't want to risk her being cross examined by the defence. Giuffre is a serial blackmailer/ extorter of hush money from Epstein and his former aquaintences. The suggestion is it already runs into millions. But in the process she will have undoubtedly signed non disclosure agreements. As a witness she would be compromised, but she would also be very stupid to tell what she knows. What happened to Epstein was not suicide. I don't think many people believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Vince I accept your assessment of her, BUT do any of them deserve anything less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Quote Giuffre is a serial blackmailer/ extorter A very harsh assessment. Whilst finance is a part, is anyone suggesting she is making it all up - aside from Prince Numpty? Are all the witnesses making it up? Is the photo faked? PS - successful blackmailers and extortionists tend to threaten to reveal all unless they get paid off. Giuffre has bucked the trend revealing the scandal first. 🙂 Edited January 19, 2022 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: A very harsh assessment. Whilst finance is a part, is anyone suggesting she is making it all up - aside from Prince Numpty? Are all the witnesses making it up? Is the photo faked? PS - successful blackmailers and extortionists tend to threaten to reveal all unless they get paid off. Giuffre has bucked the trend revealing the scandal first. 🙂 We have to remember this is just a civil case, she is only after him for money. Nobody is going to jail, the only thing that makes Andrew different from her other victims is that he didn't just cough up and get her to sign a gagging order. Why he didn't is a very interesting question. Perhaps he thought he was able to keep a lid on the whole thing. Basically all she has on him is the threat of making embarrassing revelations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 16 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, what was all that about with the fluffy toys on the bed ?? I think the the guy who mentioned that PA would reprimand the maids or whoever got the fluffy toys in the wrong order once the bed was made, was trying to illustrate what an arrogant and self-centred character he was to work for. Speaking to someone who used to work on the Royal yacht Britannia, he told me a few years ago that PA was the most despised of all the Royals and no-one had any time for the `spoilt brat`(his words not mine, although I do agree). Best of all apparently was the queen, Prince Philip and Anne. All very natural and approachable on the yacht in private, so I was told. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Old Boggy said: I think the the guy who mentioned that PA would reprimand the maids or whoever got the fluffy toys in the wrong order once the bed was made, was trying to illustrate what an arrogant and self-centred character he was to work for. Speaking to someone who used to work on the Royal yacht Britannia, he told me a few years ago that PA was the most despised of all the Royals and no-one had any time for the `spoilt brat`(his words not mine, although I do agree). Best of all apparently was the queen, Prince Philip and Anne. All very natural and approachable on the yacht in private, so I was told. OB are you saying PA had a teddy bear collection ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: are you saying PA had a teddy bear collection ? According to the TV programme on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Vince - is she is only after the money, why is she demanding her day in court. If it goes against him, just who is ruling out any potential criminal charges? He is in a mess of his own making. He has made "stupid" an art form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Hello, his worse decision in life was to befriend Epstein 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, his worse decision in life was to befriend Epstein 🤔 That would be only one of a number of poor decisions the man has made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, JDog said: That would be only one of a number of poor decisions the man has made. Hello, thanks to reply, this one seems to be his downfall ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, his worse decision in life was to befriend Epstein 🤔 Not Fergie? Edited January 19, 2022 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Not Fergie? Hello, no as many people marry but find over time a marriage can go wrong for all sorts of reasons, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 this forum topic has legs.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 hours ago, ditchman said: this forum topic has legs.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 10 hours ago, ditchman said: this forum topic has legs.......... Historians will still be trying to disect the whole sorry pantomime in hundreds of years time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Oh no they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Oh no they won't. I see what you did there 😁. I look at the lives of the rich and famous , and it makes me glad that I'm a binman. All of that , money , fame , education , yet they still behave like the cast of shameless. The only difference is that they wear more expensive clothes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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