The Impossible Rebellion

[oowee]

Extinction rebellion standing up for the climate agenda. Without their efforts down in London it's business as usual for most of us. We know we must do so more but are largely turning a blind eye to the reality of the pain of change that faces us. Lets hope they keep the protests legal.

Three demands. 

1. Government must tell the truth by declaring a climate and ecological emergency, working with other institutions to communicate the urgency for change.

 

2. Government must act now to halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2025

3. Government must create and be led by the decisions of a Citizens’ Assembly on climate and ecological justice.

 

 

[strimmer_13]

I haven't seen the nutter in town today, so hopefully she's off causing grief to the east. Might be too much to ask for her to glue herself to a bus for a few months 

[ShootingEgg]

Do these protesters not own iPhones or Android mobiles, work in an office block using the internet (one of the largest consumers of power) drives cars, Inc electric (have to burn the fuel somewhere) go on holidays, buy clothes from big retailers, grow their own and not use supermarket's?? It's all well and good sitting on a road I a bath but all the above will be what the majority do day in day out..  

[nobbyathome]

does putting up a pink table with scaffolding blocking public roads sound legal ? does stopping people working  seem legal  i work in the courier industry in central london and so far all they have managed to do is make my drivers poor   sitting in a traffic jam going nowhere with the engine running causing more pollution   you couldnt make it up  i do see there poing but lets face it england are doing there bit for the enviroment   bet they dont do protests in russia or china or india eh?

Just now, nobbyathome said:

does putting up a pink table with scaffolding blocking public roads sound legal ? does stopping people working  seem legal  i work in the courier industry in central london and so far all they have managed to do is make my drivers poor   sitting in a traffic jam going nowhere with the engine running causing more pollution   you couldnt make it up  i do see there point but lets face it england are doing there bit for the environment   bet they dont do protests in russia or china or india eh?

 

[ShootingEgg]

1 minute ago, nobbyathome said:

bet they dont do protests in russia or china or india eh?

They'd not see tomorrow if they did that... 

[Gordon R]

They are halfwits, but our kid glove treatment of their law breaking is almost as bad. It's about time the law was applied - swiftly. 

[old'un]

In the grand scheme of things the UK is ranked 17^th with 1.1% of global emissions, whereas the Chinese are pushing out 28% and rising, these people are demonstrating in the wrong country, perhaps they should have a chat with the Chinese and see what they have to say.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

1. Government must tell the truth

that's just plain funny.

[oldypigeonpopper]

34 minutes ago, old'un said:

In the grand scheme of things the UK is ranked 17^th with 1.1% of global emissions, whereas the Chinese are pushing out 28% and rising, these people are demonstrating in the wrong country, perhaps they should have a chat with the Chinese and see what they have to say.

Hello, I would love to see little Greta up against the Chinese president , he's just announced a communist scheme to all those in Education, 

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Government must act now to halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2025

Unachievable by 2025.  Might be achievable in the 2040s or 2050s - but with a massive reduction in what are seen as 'living standards' - which would be unlikely to be politically acceptable.

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Government must create and be led by the decisions of a Citizens’ Assembly on climate and ecological justice.

Totally half witted idea.  No 'democratically elected' government will accept being led by a 'Citizens Assembly' because as elected representatives they see themselves as 'citizens representatives.  No one party state/dictatorship will ever give authority willingly.

As others have pointed out - the UK is a TINY (about 1%) part of the problem - and unless the BIG players adopt measures, the UK alone will achieve economic ruin - whilst the planet remains just 1% nearer it's target.

[oowee]

3 hours ago, old'un said:

In the grand scheme of things the UK is ranked 17^th with 1.1% of global emissions, whereas the Chinese are pushing out 28% and rising, these people are demonstrating in the wrong country, perhaps they should have a chat with the Chinese and see what they have to say.

 

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

As others have pointed out - the UK is a TINY (about 1%) part of the problem - and unless the BIG players adopt measures, the UK alone will achieve economic ruin - whilst the planet remains just 1% nearer it's target.

Only because we export the emissions.  I reckon the climate change agenda is a challenge to both democracy and capitalism.  

I can only speculate but reckon we will never achieve desired levels of reduction by choice, rather through a reduction in consumption enforced by environment destruction. 

[Stonepark]

People are responsible for degredation of the environment and pollution, climtate change is the SUN!

The problem with Extinction rebellion is that they are the sheep that are modern Luddites, reversionists and communists, rather than truely trying to solve the problems of over population, degredation and pollution.

Half of the Artic and Antartic warming is now being recognised as being caused by the weakening magnetic field which protects us from a lot of solar bombardment and this accounts directly for a third of global warming on its own (0.5c).

The IPCC latest 'Climate Report' still ignores inputs electromagnetically and particles (electrons, ions, protons, neutrons etc all forming part of the solar bombardment) from the sun and only uses a climate model CIMP6 (i.e. not real observations) which uses both an over sensitivity to CO2 & Solar Irradience alone and ignores all other x rays, gamma rays, magentic effects, electrical effects, ion storms, etc etc etc and importantly cannot model of the climate over the last 100 years, never mind trying to model the future climate.

The Sun is also slowly changing composition, becoming less yellow and more white (hotter) as it under goes its cyclical changes due to its passage through the galactic dust clouds, on its way to micro nova as it has done repeatedly for millions of years.

With regards Co2 try to think about it this way to judge how important CO2 may be at 410ppm, if you dive under water to 10m you are at 2 ATM pressure, therefore if you compress the gaseous atmosphere to liquid it would also be 10m deep as at sea level you are at 1ATM pressure in our atmosphere.

Of the 10m of the compressed atmosphere CO2 would comprise a layer only  4.1cm deep, conversly the worlds oceans covering 2/3 of the planet are 3500m deep on average.

The sun can raise parts of the planet from as low as freezing to 40c in 12 hours, IPCC scientists are talking about Co2 raising the planet temperature by 1.5c over a hundred years..... if that is even attributable to Co2 and global warming and not the decrease in the magnetic field letting in more radiation, electromagnetic energy and x rays, changes to the sun etc.

 

[Scully]

Whilst it makes perfect sense to me, ( from my days at school we learned that the planet is constantly warming and cooling )   I don’t have the knowledge to comment on the scientific part of Stoneparks’ post above, I have to agree with the second paragraph entirely. 
Todays Extinction Rebellion are simply yesteryears CND; a bunch of people who have an almighty chip on their collective shoulders about governments, big business and capitalism, and jump at the chance to protest whilst offering no practical alternatives. 
When the pandemic kicked off, I was told by a member that ‘this is what we’ve been waiting for’. Really? Then she went on to tell me her son had had a heck of a problem finding a route out of Bali where he was as part of his gap year! Is it me? 

Edited August 26, 2021 by Scully

[JohnfromUK]

19 minutes ago, Scully said:

Todays Extinction Rebellion are simply yesteryears CND; a bunch of people who have an almighty chip on their collective shoulders about governments, big business and capitalism, and jump at the chance to protest whilst offering no practical alternatives.

+1

19 minutes ago, Scully said:

Whilst it makes perfect sense to me, ( from my days at school we learned that the planet is constantly warming and cooling )   I don’t have the knowledge to comment on the scientific part of Stoneparks’ post above, I have to agree with the second paragraph entirely.

I don't have the knowledge but agree it all sounds quite rational and 'seems' very plausible ........ but if so, why do so many (such as the David Attenboroughs of this world) who do have a much more knowledge as well as access to the top scientists have very grave concerns?  Too many 'well known top names' to be ignored.

[Yellow Bear]

10 hours ago, Stonepark said:

The problem with Extinction rebellion is that they are the sheep that are modern Luddites, reversionists and communists, rather than truly trying to solve the problems of over population

This totally sums it up but it is not what those seeking attention want to hear or admit to. 

[RockySpears]

15 hours ago, oowee said:

Extinction rebellion standing up for the climate agenda

This should read:  " Marxists seek to overthrow Democracy".

For those that do nothave the skills/learning to understand the issues, look here:

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/

or here:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

but don't give this place a second thought:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment

Yours,

RS

[RockySpears]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

but if so, why do so many (such as the David Attenboroughs of this world) who do have a much more knowledge as well as access to the top scientists have very grave concerns?  Too many 'well known top names' to be ignored.

  Their funding.  Never ask a man to disagree with the people that pay his wages.

Attenborough is full captured by the environmental movement and simply puts his name to others work these days, look at the lies he tell over the walrus deaths.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/11/19/new-footage-reveals-netflix-faked-walrus-climate-deaths/

and Polar bears:

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/09/15/attenboroughs-new-attempt-to-scare-people-about-polar-bear-extinction-and-walrus-deaths/

Yours,

RS

[Newbie to this]

This ruined David Bellamy, but I guess he is not a big enough name, or the scientist that had to take the US government to court to have their names removed off a paper on 'Global warming'.

These names don't count as they are on the 'wrong' narrative!

Anyone who speaks out against this farce is shut down and no longer heard from.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Newbie to this

[oowee]

If its not extinction rebellion then we sit and wait for the change to hit us. No one is going to vote to reduce consumption. Only the climate can alter our demands. Unless we challenge our democratic foundations. Exactly what ER is proposing? 

[RockySpears]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Only the climate can alter our demands.

  Yep,  so here is what the Met. Office has to say about temperatures over the last 400 years (yes, there are records that old, but they are generally kept hidden as they do not fit the narrative):

 and sea level rise, well lets look at that data too:

 

Sea levels falling during the Little Ice Age, then rising again at a pretty constant rate since 1850 as the LIA ended.  Little to no change of rate of increase at all except, you can see how the rate slowed in the 60s and 70's, when, many here will remember, the World was getting colder and fears of a a new Ice Age were upon us:

Cheers,

RS

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

If its not extinction rebellion then we sit and wait for the change to hit us. No one is going to vote to reduce consumption. Only the climate can alter our demands. Unless we challenge our democratic foundations. Exactly what ER is proposing? 

 socialism in through the back door, through fear and alarmism 

[Lloyd90]

Well I guess Covid has failed to have the desired effect (mass population reduction) … we will just have to have WWIII instead to bring the numbers down! 

[islandgun]

Organised moaning, its not rebellion to blame everyone else but carry on as usual...... pick up litter, plant some trees/vegetables, walk ! 

[Pushkin]

Im still not convinced about GW.  Many of the respected scientists are not convinced either - so Im in good company there.  Why is it that these people feel they can just write up their fantasies and expect the rest of us who democratically voted for a government party would even think to follow these demonstrators.  Sad sign of how big they think their egos are that we would just obey them.

😎

[Rewulf]

13 hours ago, oowee said:

I reckon the climate change agenda is a challenge to both democracy and capitalism.  

Thats quite a telling statement.

Climate change is an 'agenda' , I thought is was a FACT , and a DEFINITE man made one too ?
And, its not so much a challenge, but an ultimatum, made by certain people , who have embraced a cause they dont actually understand, deciding , within this limited understanding , to completely ignore anything whatsoever to the contrary.
The fact that you see it as a challenge to the current status quo of free markets and relative personal freedom, is quite worrying....

13 hours ago, oowee said:

I can only speculate but reckon we will never achieve desired levels of reduction by choice, rather through a reduction in consumption enforced by environment destruction. 

Again worrying terms, but in actuality , already happening.
Does it take a totalitarian government system to 'enforce' climate compliance ?
Governments worldwide are already hiking fuel prices, business already pays vast sums for waste removal and recycling, yet this isnt enough for XR ?
They want to dismantle society , and plunge us into an abyss of uncertainty because global temperatures have gone up 0.5 degrees in 30 years , and might go up another degree by the end of the century ?
I should imagine it all sounds a great idea to them , as they gather round and discuss how they are going to 'change civilisation' and 'save the planet' by implementing a soviet style form of government to 'encourage' us to think like they do.
I should imagine the original bolsheviks thought they were doing the right thing too, right up until they were put up against the wall and shot.

2 hours ago, oowee said:

If its not extinction rebellion then we sit and wait for the change to hit us. No one is going to vote to reduce consumption. Only the climate can alter our demands. Unless we challenge our democratic foundations. Exactly what ER is proposing? 

The 'change' is already happening is it not ?
The temperature has risen, the sea level too , has it not ?
Otherwise there would be no evidence of climate change/global warming ?
So what is going to 'hit us ' ?  This 'disaster' way of thinking is the driving force behind some peoples fear mongering, yet man has lived through far greater climate changes in recent centuries WITHOUT any technology that we have today.
'Challenging our democracy' particularly for a threat that appears to be demonstrably toothless, seems like a sneaky back door into totalitarianism, and XR , like a lot of groups driven by outside influencers, are just the latest in a long line of 'causes' hell bent on destabilising society.

Make no mistake here, do you seriously believe if XR were given what they wanted , there would be some kind of smooth transition to a carbon neutral world, and everyone would be grateful for them saving us ?

There would be CHAOS.