Vince Green Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Hopefully the sad loss of this young man's life will serve as a warning to others. Leader of Texas anti-mask movement dies from Covid-19 (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) Just spoke with a nurse yesterday and she said that almost 50% of those dying on her ward got written off as covid death although they didn't die from covid. If you want to walk around looking like a bank robber for the rest of your life go ahead. Heh!! didn't notice that it was reported by MSN....so it must be true. Edited August 30, 2021 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: Just spoke with a nurse yesterday and she said that almost 50% of those dying on her ward got written off as covid death although they didn't die from covid. If you want to walk around looking like a bank robber for the rest of your life go ahead. Heh!! didn't notice that it was reported by MSN....so it must be true. I can't help but wonder if there are funding/support incentives to report non covid deaths as covid. Edited August 30, 2021 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Walker570 said: Just spoke with a nurse yesterday and she said that almost 50% of those dying on her ward got written off as covid death although they didn't die from covid. If you want to walk around looking like a bank robber for the rest of your life go ahead. Heh!! didn't notice that it was reported by MSN....so it must be true. It's a criminal offence to misreport a death and a doctor could be strick off as well as ending up in court. Where does this silly conspiracy theory come from that covid death figures are being inflated? Why would they do that? I could see there might be a desire to understate the figures. I'm sure the Chinese did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 So the young doctor in New York who resigned because he refused to do it was telling lies was it. Even the Government here have put their hands up to the goings on. Wakw up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Vince Green said: It's a criminal offence to misreport a death and a doctor could be strick off as well as ending up in court. Where does this silly conspiracy theory come from that covid death figures are being inflated? Why would they do that? I could see there might be a desire to understate the figures. I'm sure the Chinese did that. ISTR that was lifted for the pandemic - and is very likely being widely exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Dave-G said: I can't help but wonder... 25 minutes ago, Dave-G said: ...and is very likely... You are doing it again, don't add things to a story, that's the way conspiracies start to grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 hours ago, henry d said: You are doing it again, don't add things to a story, that's the way conspiracies start to grow Conspiracies! A 17 year old girl had the jab, and 3 days later she is in hospital with a blood clot (not in the headline). And how do the media report it; she was put in hospital due to covid. It is insane what the media is doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, treetree said: ...And how does the Daily Fail report it;... Sorted it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Vince Green said: Where does this silly conspiracy theory come from that covid death figures are being inflated? Why would they do that? To be fair theres little doubt the figures have been vastly inflated. Any death after a positive result is reported as a Covid death, even if it wasn't the cause of the person dieing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, treetree said: Conspiracies! A 17 year old girl had the jab, and 3 days later she is in hospital with a blood clot (not in the headline). And how do the media report it; she was put in hospital due to covid. It is insane what the media is doing It's worth pointing out that the clots the girl experienced were on her lungs, consistent with Covid. The clots associated with the vaccine are CVST's (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) and SVT's (splanchnic vein thrombosis - abdominal clots). So yes. She was in hospital because of Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: It's worth pointing out that the clots the girl experienced were on her lungs, consistent with Covid. The clots associated with the vaccine are CVST's (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) and SVT's (splanchnic vein thrombosis - abdominal clots). So yes. She was in hospital because of Covid. Please don't let facts spoil a good story 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Dave-G said: I can't help but wonder if there are funding/support incentives to report non covid deaths as covid. Yes, family gets 9-35k, hospital gets 9-40k. And they are letting them go back to Jan/1/2020 and request the death certificate to be changed to Covid-19. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRBxC5EE/ 7 hours ago, treetree said: Conspiracies! A 17 year old girl had the jab, and 3 days later she is in hospital with a blood clot (not in the headline). And how do the media report it; she was put in hospital due to covid. It is insane what the media is doing The CDC reports any death within 14 days of getting the vaccine as unvaccinated Covid death. Edited August 31, 2021 by NoBodyImportant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: Yes, family gets 9-35k, hospital gets 9-40k. And they are letting them go back to Jan/1/2020 and request the death certificate to be changed to Covid-19. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRBxC5EE/ The CDC reports any death within 14 days of getting the vaccine as unvaccinated Covid death. Probably because that's the time that it takes for the vaccine to be considered as taking effect. After 14 days of the first vaccine, it's logged as a partially vaccinated death and it's only logged as a breakthrough death if infection is found to be 14 days after the second vaccine. That's not surprising and it's scientifically reasonable. Were they to immediately log them as partially or fully vaccinated deaths, it would be misrepresenting the facts around vaccination efficacy. In any case, the numbers of breakthrough fatalities are ridiculously small. A brief squirreling found CDC figures from April: 5,800 cases of breakthrough infections, 74 died. Out of 77 million fully vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: It's worth pointing out that the clots the girl experienced were on her lungs, consistent with Covid. The clots associated with the vaccine are CVST's (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) and SVT's (splanchnic vein thrombosis - abdominal clots). So yes. She was in hospital because of Covid. Clots in the lungs following the covid jab are not without precedent.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57260463 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 25 year old neighbour of mine recently had blood clots on the lung. Completely floored him, in fact he had to have an ambulance to him as he had collapsed and spent a couple of days in hospital. Even weeks later you would think he smoked 40 a day and had just run up Snowden the way he weezed and gasped for breath. Fit young lad, doesn't smoke, don't think he drinks excessively (definitely not as much as I do anyway), very active (he had just re roofed his house by himself). Hadn't had the jab at the time and hasn't had covid, tested very regularly for his job. It may well turn out that the jab does increase risks but those risks can be there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 44 minutes ago, serrac said: Clots in the lungs following the covid jab are not without precedent.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57260463 But in conjunction with low platelet count, another critical factor in vaccine-related clotting, which the above teenager didn't have. The hospital itself confirmed it was a Covid-related clot. But as a wise and noble man once said... 5 hours ago, amateur said: Please don't let facts spoil a good story 😁 So what we have is a girl gets Covid. A reporter quite rightly includes the word clot. Suddenly it's a vaccine related clot and IT'S A CONSPIRACY BY THE MEDIA!!! THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!!! How bad at misinterpreting the facts does a person have to be that they make the Daily Mail sound like the voice of reason, sense and journalistic accuracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: So what we have is a girl gets Covid. A reporter quite rightly includes the word clot. Suddenly it's a vaccine related clot and IT'S A CONSPIRACY BY THE MEDIA!!! THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!!! You try to make it sound like she DEFINITELY didnt have a vaccine related clot ? Something you cant possibly know for sure. The 'accepted' proven rate for AZ or J and J vaccines causing blood clots , is 1 in around 50000, low odds accepted, they DO cause blood clots. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02291-2 17 hours ago, henry d said: You are doing it again Are you stalking Dave G ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: So what we have is a girl gets Covid. A reporter quite rightly includes the word clot. Suddenly it's a vaccine related clot and IT'S A CONSPIRACY BY THE MEDIA!!! THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!!! Is this a regular occurrence when healthy 17 year old have covid? It's just that I don't remember clots to young people due to covid being highlighted previously. But hey, absolutely not to do with the jab she had 3 days earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, treetree said: Is this a regular occurrence when healthy 17 year old have covid? It's just that I don't remember clots to young people due to covid being highlighted previously. But hey, absolutely not to do with the jab she had 3 days earlier. Er...well strictly speaking it wasn't highlighted in this case. It was a passing comment. And remember when the vaccine-related clots issue in people with low platelet counts first became recognised? Remember how all the experts were tripping over themselves to say the chances of developing blood clots from Covid was FAR greater? This is why. So it has been highlighted - regardless of age. It's a fairly standard symptom of hospitalising Covid. If a patient is hospitalised, then the chances are good that clots are present, because Covid principally attacks the lungs. 55 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You try to make it sound like she DEFINITELY didnt have a vaccine related clot ? Something you cant possibly know for sure. The 'accepted' proven rate for AZ or J and J vaccines causing blood clots , is 1 in around 50000, low odds accepted, they DO cause blood clots. Irrelevant. She had Pfizer (1 in 250,000 and the need for platelet deficiency; below) . AND she didn't have a low platelet count. And the hospital said it was covid related, not the media. And she said it was Covid related. Soooooo given all the available evidence the logical thing to believe is that... Risk of rare blood clotting higher for COVID-19 than for vaccines | University of Oxford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: the hospital said it was covid related Seems to be a catch all phrase these days... I am now counting 8 close friends who have died now , with 'covid related' being mentioned, all but one did NOT have a positive covid test, actual causes of death were cancer(3), heart disease(2), renal failure(2), and a healthy 65 year old (double AZ jabbed a month before) who had a stroke while walking his dog , and died 2 days later. I have now lost count of the people I know who have been vaxxed , and then gone on to develop, and test positive for full covid, several double jabbers were hospitalised. Im not for one moment saying dont get jabbed, but to imply there are not pitfalls, is naive in the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 24 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: Such a derogatory term might actually be appropriate... This selfish little hussy, just three days away from being hospitalised with covid, took it upon herself to ignore the incessant warnings to stay at home and self isolate and instead took herself, rancid with virus, along to a vaccination centre and risked spreading it to everyone else waiting in line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 36 minutes ago, serrac said: Such a derogatory term might actually be appropriate... This selfish little hussy, just three days away from being hospitalised with covid, took it upon herself to ignore the incessant warnings to stay at home and self isolate and instead took herself, rancid with virus, along to a vaccination centre and risked spreading it to everyone else waiting in line... First vaccine on the 11th August. Only began feeling unwell on the 13th tested positive on the 14th. Hospitalised on the 25th. Once again, them pesky facts just getting in the way of a good story. So annoying of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 51 minutes ago, Rewulf said: have now lost count of the people I know who have been vaxxed , and then gone on to develop, and test positive for full covid, several double jabbers were hospitalised. This might be because they have had the jab, conditions were lifted and we all feel safe getting on with things finally, hopefully those double jabbed got out of hospital quickly. My brother and his family have now had covid, imagine having worked right through covid moving patients with covid but you come back from your holidays in Cornwall and then develop symptoms!! Thankfully they were just rough for a few days, it appears to have hit his youngest worst. They are the first people I know of who have been vaccinated and then got the virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Sixty four year old in the village who works for London Underground. I drink with him in a fairly regular basis. He has been working from home during lockdown, but travelled down to the capital around a week ago for a meeting with 23 other employees. He tested positive a few days after his return, after feeling unwell, as did 9 others at the meeting apparently. He is at home and not hospitalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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