12gauge82 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I’m not missing anything as I’ve lived on the bread line during it all growing up (with both parents who worked pretty much 7 days a week) and never had a helping hand off the Government or anyone else. I have had to be on benefits (job seekers) after a medical condition totally shattered my plans to join the RAF and serve, and I couldn’t find anything else. In my family area (In Wales) there weren’t loads of jobs, mostly a load of low paid jobs with odd hours here and there, in the end I pieced together 3 different jobs in-order to bring home under £200 a week. After a few years I managed to get a half decent job, but still chose to go back into education, and almost 10 years later I have a degree and a good job / income. There are obvious issues with benefit claimants who see it as a lifestyle. Despite many people shouting similar to yourself, no one has managed to solve the issue yet have they? 🤷♂️ If it’s as simple as some on here make out why hasn’t it been sorted? No point blaming liberals or what not, The Tories currently have an 80 seat lead … Well done for pulling yourself up, it's not easy but your story shows it absolutely can be done if someone wants to. Its a very easy fix if politicians had the drive to do it, unfortunately most of the Conservatives are liberals themselves, we haven't had a centralist, let alone right wing government for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 As has already been mentioned, it's a vote loser for any party that tries to reform welfare, unles the walfare goes up of course. 9.5 million is a lot of votes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 13/09/2021 at 16:54, Newbie to this said: As has already been mentioned, it's a vote loser for any party that tries to reform welfare, unles the walfare goes up of course. 9.5 million is a lot of votes! and yet there is a labour shortage according to the bbc farm labour wagon drivers etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) On 13/09/2021 at 07:54, 12gauge82 said: I don't believe he's suggesting he is envying their lives, he's sumply questioning, as do I, why everyone else who works should pay for those who refuse to. There is a very thin line between cant work and wont work. For a lot of people they would have to be absolutely barking mad to come off benefits and get a job. Partly because the minimum wage zero hours contract seasonal jobs offer no security Why would you spend 12 hours a day cleaning holiday caravans in Cormwall for less money than you can get sitting on your fanny watching breakfast TV? Edited September 14, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Vince Green said: There is a very thin line between cant work and wont work. For a lot of people they would have to be absolutely barking mad to come off benefits and get a job. Partly because the minimum wage zero hours contract seasonal jobs offer no security Why would you spend 12 hours a day cleaning holiday caravans in Cormwall for less money than you can get sitting on your fanny watching breakfast TV? I couldn't agree more which is why the system needs changing, the minimum wage needs to go up or benefits need cutting or a combination of the two, or people should be made to work to receive their benefits to make an incentive to work. There are many solutions to this problem but as mentioned above, the government lacks the appetite to change it, while hard working people are forced to live on the bread line to pay for others to sit on their ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Vince Green said: There is a very thin line between cant work and wont work. For a lot of people they would have to be absolutely barking mad to come off benefits and get a job. Partly because the minimum wage zero hours contract seasonal jobs offer no security Why would you spend 12 hours a day cleaning holiday caravans in Cormwall for less money than you can get sitting on your fanny watching breakfast TV? 15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I couldn't agree more which is why the system needs changing, the minimum wage needs to go up or benefits need cutting or a combination of the two, or people should be made to work to receive their benefits to make an incentive to work. There are many solutions to this problem but as mentioned above, the government lacks the appetite to change it, while hard working people are forced to live on the bread line to pay for others to sit on their ****. Unfortunately there are whole areas and whole families to whom this is their adopted lifestyle that will be nigh on impossible to break the broken system of "professional scrounger" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Unfortunately there are whole areas and whole families to whom this is their adopted lifestyle that will be nigh on impossible to break the broken system of "professional scrounger" Not impossible at all. Just requires concentrated support and education. Takes time and a planned approach so unlikley to happen any time soon with the ***** we have running the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Not impossible at all. Just requires concentrated support and education. Takes time and a planned approach so unlikley to happen any time soon with the ***** we have running the show. Where is your "super team" who might fix this broken system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Where is your "super team" who might fix this broken system? The same place your super team is. They don't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, oowee said: The same place your super team is. They don't exist. Which is exactly the problem, it will never be sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 hours ago, oowee said: The same place your super team is. They don't exist. Its a world wide problem, very few politicians could run a chip shop on Blackpool front. Lets not forget however that in Britain the benefits system didn't just happen, it was carefully constructed by New Labour. Gordon Brown principally, social engineering at its worst. The aim was to deliberately create a benefits dependent underclass who will always have to vote Labour. You have to say he succeeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Vince Green said: Its a world wide problem, very few politicians could run a chip shop on Blackpool front. Lets not forget however that in Britain the benefits system didn't just happen, it was carefully constructed by New Labour. Gordon Brown principally, social engineering at its worst. The aim was to deliberately create a benefits dependent underclass who will always have to vote Labour. You have to say he succeeded. It’s not done them much good, Conservatives are about 80 seats in majority and Labour are a laughing stock at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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