Booster jab

[ordnance]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Maybe different countries have different levels of corruption ?

Ill ask you again , do you think there is no corruption within procurement in the UK ?

Could well be, my question bellow was in regard to Civid booster vaccines. 

 

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There is no probably its a deffo and I think you have to be  simple minded not to realise where there is £££££ there will be back handers 

Back handers to who for what ?

 

 

[Rewulf]

38 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Could well be, my question bellow was in regard to Civid booster vaccines. 

 

 

Going round in circles here.

I'll spell it out.

38 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Back handers to who

Whoever in government/NHS/ SAGE , who is is charge of procurement,  who said we must have the mRNA vaccines made in other countries, at a much higher cost, rather than the cheaper home grown AZ jab?

When we were originally told NOT  to mix jabs, and 'studies' have shown marginal benefits to a booster ?

The JVCI (whoever they are) have recommended a mix and match approach, what evidence they base this on is questionable, however they are very keen to make sure , whatever you had first, you have either Pfizer or moderna as a booster, both mRNA vaccines, it appears no recommendation for an AZ booster...WHY?

Was their brown envelope a bit light 🤔

 

[ordnance]

51 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Going round in circles here.

I'll spell it out.

Whoever in government/NHS/ SAGE , who is is charge of procurement,  who said we must have the mRNA vaccines made in other countries, at a much higher cost, rather than the cheaper home grown AZ jab?

When we were originally told NOT  to mix jabs, and 'studies' have shown marginal benefits to a booster ?

The JVCI (whoever they are) have recommended a mix and match approach, what evidence they base this on is questionable, however they are very keen to make sure , whatever you had first, you have either Pfizer or moderna as a booster, both mRNA vaccines, it appears no recommendation for an AZ booster...WHY?

Was their brown envelope a bit light 🤔

 

They had to do studies before knowing it was safe and beneficial to mix vaccines, as for why using both mRNA vaccines i have already posted their reasons. Do you think Professor Wei Shen Lim and the JCVI are lying and getting back hander's ? The University Hospital Southampton are probably in on it as well. 

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Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. The JCVI cited data from the Cov-Boost trial published last week by University Hospital Southampton, which indicated that the Pfizer vaccine is well-tolerated as a third dose among patients and provides a strong booster response.

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by ordnance

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, ordnance said:

. Do you think Professor Wei Shen Lim and the JCVI are lying and getting back hander's ?

Do you believe they are recommending mRNA jabs because they BELIEVE its better than the AZ jab as a booster?

Have they stated that the AZ jab  is not suitable as a booster ?

Can you be sure they haven't had a back hander, do you know them well enough to trust their integrity ?

Or do you simply prefer to believe that when it comes to covid drug procurement,  there is no favouritism,  corruption, or brown envelopes.

I still have those beans ?

[ordnance]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Do you believe they are recommending mRNA jabs because they BELIEVE its better than the AZ jab as a booster?

Have they stated that the AZ jab  is not suitable as a booster ?

Can you be sure they haven't had a back hander, do you know them well enough to trust their integrity ?

Or do you simply prefer to believe that when it comes to covid drug procurement,  there is no favouritism,  corruption, or brown envelopes.

I still have those beans ?

Ok its all a cunning plan that they are all in on, so they can get back handersdownload (1).jfif

8 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Do you believe they are recommending mRNA jabs because they BELIEVE its better than the AZ jab as a booster?

Have they stated that the AZ jab  is not suitable as a booster ?

Can you be sure they haven't had a back hander, do you know them well enough to trust their integrity ?

Or do you simply prefer to believe that when it comes to covid drug procurement,  there is no favouritism,  corruption, or brown envelopes.

I still have those beans ?

Ok its all a cunning plan that they are all in on, so they can get back handers 

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by ordnance

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

Ok its all a cunning plan that they are all in on, so they can get back handers 

 

 

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You seem pretty certain it isn't,  are you 'in the know' ?

Look back at some of the PPE procurement scandals , literally billions going into the old boy network, no oversight, no accountability,  'because its an emergency! '

But I don't suppose you believe any of that happened either 😄

[steve s×s]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You seem pretty certain it isn't,  are you 'in the know' ?

Look back at some of the PPE procurement scandals , literally billions going into the old boy network, no oversight, no accountability,  'because its an emergency! '

But I don't suppose you believe any of that happened either 😄

IF there wasn't ££££s involved there would be no issue but as in (unfortunately) all business large and larger and the more( respectable) the worse, its a horrible fact of life 

[ordnance]

36 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You seem pretty certain it isn't,  are you 'in the know' ?

Look back at some of the PPE procurement scandals , literally billions going into the old boy network, no oversight, no accountability,  'because its an emergency! '

But I don't suppose you believe any of that happened either 😄

Again i am talking about Covid vaccine boosters not PPE, the question i replied to was regarding back handers and the booster program.  Unlike you i don't / would not make accusations of back handers regarding the Covid booster program without evidence.  If you want to move the goal posts to general NHS procurement just say so. 

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, ordnance said:

without evidence

😂

[Vince Green]

On 18/09/2021 at 17:41, Rewulf said:

Going round in circles here.

I'll spell it out.

Whoever in government/NHS/ SAGE , who is is charge of procurement,  who said we must have the mRNA vaccines made in other countries, at a much higher cost, rather than the cheaper home grown AZ jab?

When we were originally told NOT  to mix jabs, and 'studies' have shown marginal benefits to a booster ?

The JVCI (whoever they are) have recommended a mix and match approach, what evidence they base this on is questionable, however they are very keen to make sure , whatever you had first, you have either Pfizer or moderna as a booster, both mRNA vaccines, it appears no recommendation for an AZ booster...WHY?

Was their brown envelope a bit light 🤔

 

Nobody in Government / Sage is in charge of procurement. Nobody in Government has the authority to enact any sort of procurement. It is ring fenced for exactly that reason. It has been for decades. Seems to me you have been reading the loonie tunes antivax websites, many of whom make unfounded allegations of coruption.

It is all done by the Civil Service with a mountain of checks and balances to prevent exactly what is being alleged.

[udderlyoffroad]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

It is all done by the Civil Service with a mountain of checks and balances to prevent exactly what is being alleged.

....which were specifically by-passed in the case of PPE, and the procurement process was, at best, 'accelerated' in the case of vaccines.  If that hadn't happened, people would have been up in arms about 'government red tape'.   (See: France or Germany)

Does that therefore mean there weren't, ahem,, compliance breaches in the procurement process?  Probably.  The pharmaceutical industry's record is hardly stellar in this regard, and indeed in more normal times, the way they appear to operate would make most Defence contractors say "steady on, you're taking the ****, old chap".

As for cross-immunisation, as it's called, happening all across Europe and other countries.  Some cite the potential blood-clot issues of AZ.

Personally, I won't be bothering, unless I'm required to for travel purposes.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

Nobody in Government / Sage is in charge of procurement. Nobody in Government has the authority to enact any sort of procurement. It is ring fenced for exactly that reason. It has been for decades. Seems to me you have been reading the loonie tunes antivax websites, many of whom make unfounded allegations of coruption.

It is all done by the Civil Service with a mountain of checks and balances to prevent exactly what is being alleged.

Really ?

19 February 2021

The high court found that the government unlawfully failed to publish details of billions of pounds’ worth of coronavirus-related contracts.

It was ruled that Hancock had “breached his legal obligation to publish contract award notices within 30 days of the award of contracts” after spending “vast quantities of public money” on procurement in 2020. Hancock declined to apologise.

28 May 2021

Hancock was ruled to have committed a “minor”, inadvertent breach of the ministerial code by failing to declare that a family firm in which he held shares won an NHS contract, following a probe by the prime minister’s ethics adviser.

Lord Geidt, the independent adviser on ministerial standards, found that Hancock should have declared that Topwood Ltd – a firm owned by his sister and in which he held shares – was approved as an NHS contractor. But Geidt did not recommend that Hancock resign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/26/a-timeline-of-matt-hancocks-controversies-and-breaches

 

 

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/09/24/no-conflict-of-interest-in-vallance-holding-vaccine-company-shares-hancock/

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/971151/Covid-19_SAGE_register_of_participants__interests.pdf

So tell me , if SAGE dont recommend a course of action, which the government often chooses to follow, how do you think procurement happens ?
Does some faceless clerk just decide which vaccine will be best for us ? 😄

11 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said:

The pharmaceutical industry's record is hardly stellar in this regard, and indeed in more normal times, the way they appear to operate would make most Defence contractors say "steady on, you're taking the ****, old chap"

Indeed , I know someone who used to work for Royal Ordnance in Notts, his job was literally to grease the palms of potential customers in charge of defence procurement.
Its quite frightening to think some people dont think this happens in modern society, yet have full knowledge of other countries/cultures accepting it as a way of life ?