TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 59 minutes ago, stu64 said: Just to give some balance, and all the respondents aren't 55 year old white males, I signed in as a 40 year old jamaican/carribean female. What you get up to at the weekend is entirely your affair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu64 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 put in what you want.they will make there own mined up. and do what they want,we will have no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, stu64 said: Just to give some balance, and all the respondents aren't 55 year old white males, I signed in as a 40 year old jamaican/carribean female. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryB Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 What a load of utter nonsense. Nothing will ever come of it in any case. There is no where left to go with further restrictions. We’ve been legislated to death already. As for monitoring social media - yes I’d be all for that but good luck with that unless you are going to recruit 100’s of additional staff in order to resource it - which again will never happen due that very reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Scully said: Full cost recovery has nothing to do with ensuring as much as is practical, the safety of the general public, and that's what licensing is supposed to be about. No price hike of any amount will do that. Lets apply the same rules to cars. 4 hours ago, CharlieT said: To be fair, GP's are are only required to state that the applicant does not/has not suffered from specific conditions. They most certainly are not asked to give their opinion. How would they even know this? Most gp's do not meet most of their patients? Or certainly not a large portion of them. We need a common set of rules for all rather than the current post code lottery but these 'Rules' must be established from a basis of fairness and objectivity, cognisent of the lack of control of other dangerous machines such as cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, oowee said: How would they even know this? Most gp's do not meet most of their patients? Or certainly not a large portion of them. Simply because all they are required to do is complete the police medical pro forma from the patients medical record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 hours ago, CharlieT said: Dave, I believe that is what is due happen soon when "the guidance" becomes statutory. It can only become statutory by an act of Parliament and I suspect that will not happen. Totally skewed survey, searching for a result that suits their agenda. lets start a new survey, let’s ask the general public, as it’s their money “are crime commissioners required” 7 hours ago, HantsRob said: Hampshire is leading the way as a gold standard, for ensuring medical forms are submitted or the application gets binned. other forces have been doing likewise for a very long time so not sure why you think Hampshire is leading the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Nice to see how they've biased the poll by refering to sporting firearms as "weapons" Only soldiers, the police and criminals use them as weapons. That should help the general public give the answers they want to hear 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, HantsRob said: Oh I am aware it's salacious to make the public demand gun owners pay for everything, and it won't change timescales. My point was that if they offered a 2 tier service, I would pay the extra for an accountable and timely delivery (assuming I submit doctors letter with my application). It just seems like the PCCs want to charge more money and get a tighter control. What is funny is no-one asks about recovery of costs for Police and associated services when someone has a car crash..... heaven forbid their wallet is touched. slippery slope to go down, give them unlimited power to set fees then their will be no stopping them, 43 constabularies 43 different fees then the GP’s will want more a lot more when they are asked to monitor your health for five year periods, annual check? You could see £300 to the police and £400 to the GP would you be so happy then? the cost has always been shared by the public as it is in the public interest to do so, personally I don’t ask that we need licences at all it’s the government that wants that. Who remembers buying a shotgun certificate from the post office, was society anymore at risk then that today by legally owned firearms? no licence system is ever going to stop somebody spontaneously going mad with a firearm, just impossible to achieve. look at the events at Plymouth the warnings were their but the system just could not prevent it. Edited September 30, 2021 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: It can only become statutory by an act of Parliament and I suspect that will not happen. But it will. The Government consultation on statutory guidance ended on 17th September last year and draft statutory guidance has since been updated (23rd August) and published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Are they going to make tougher controls to be a policemen and he was a firearm officer can we send them a questioner to fill out. Also known by other officers as the rapist well they kept that quiet. So can they be trusted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 @rbrowning2 Nobody ever bought a shotgun certificate from a post office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, London Best said: @rbrowning2 Nobody ever bought a shotgun certificate from a post office. yes 60 years ago when I was 13 yrs old , shot air guns under supper vision before that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, derbyduck said: yes 60 years ago when I was 13 yrs old , shot air guns under supper vision before that No. You bought a gun licence at the post office. The shotgun certificate has always been a police issued document since it was invented in 1968. I, too, was shooting 60 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, London Best said: No. You bought a gun licence at the post office. The shotgun certificate has always been a police issued document since it was invented in 1968. I, too, was shooting 60 years ago. count back 60yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, derbyduck said: count back 60yrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 hours ago, CharlieT said: But it will. The Government consultation on statutory guidance ended on 17th September last year and draft statutory guidance has since been updated (23rd August) and published. Statutory guidance - oxymoron just publishing it does not make it statutory law that requires primary legislation, a bill that has been agreed by both Houses of Parliament and has been given royal assent by the monarch. Feel sure the shooting community would know if that had happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 Please complete and pass on Mods please move if in wrong section https://www.apccs.police.uk/latest-news/have-your-say-on-potential-changes-to-firearms-licensing/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 Already in General Shooting Matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 I have completed the survey but feel it is lacking in a number of questions and there is no opportunity to add your own words/comments. The “reflect the public’s views” is wide open to the antis and anyone else who wishes to see shooting/gun ownership further restricted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 13 hours ago, London Best said: yes you are right , sorry gun licence , 10 shillings or 50p a year for shot guns and air guns . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 minute ago, derbyduck said: yes you are right , sorry gun licence , 10 shillings or 50p a year for shot guns and air guns . No problem sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, old'un said: I have completed the survey but feel it is lacking in a number of questions and there is no opportunity to add your own words/comments. The “reflect the public’s views” is wide open to the antis and anyone else who wishes to see shooting/gun ownership further restricted. Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 1, 2021 Report Share Posted October 1, 2021 13 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: Statutory guidance - oxymoron just publishing it does not make it statutory law that requires primary legislation, a bill that has been agreed by both Houses of Parliament and has been given royal assent by the monarch. Feel sure the shooting community would know if that had happened. As a somewhat thick farmer not versed in such matters, I bow to your more educated knowledge. However, as FELWG, shooting organisations and the shooting press have been beating the drum about statutory guidance for a couple of years I presumed most shooters would have known about it. Just for interest.............. The Policing and Crime Act 2017 makes provision for the Home Secretary to issue statutory guidance to the police on their firearms licensing functions. The police will have a duty to have regard to the guidance when they exercise their firearms licensing functions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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