Blaming BREXIT

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, clangerman said:

enjoy your denial i will stick with being man enough to admit gump took us for fools thanks 

How did 'gump' manage that then ?
Did he lead you to the ballot box by the nose ring and force you to vote for something you didnt really want ?
Or did you actually make a decision for once in your life, where you actually thought something would change ?

People voted for Brexit (or not ) because they wanted change, dont lets all be crying now because change has happened.

And for all those that blame empty shelves and no fuel.....
Seriously , what empty shelves ?  Fuel is back in most stations after an army of idiot panic buyers kept emptying them.
Virtually nothing to do with Brexit, but hey , any excuse to try and blame it.

Yes Brexit has caused issues, literally NOBODY  said it would not.
There would be short term disruption , it was fully expected, then covid happened , and Brexits issues are dwarved.
Or did Brexit cause covid too ?
Because it seems many on here think the two are inextricably linked ?

The whole world is struggling to some extent at the moment for one reason or another, did they all have a Brexit moment too ?

[12gauge82]

38 minutes ago, oowee said:

What are you on about? I posted lots of stuff earlier. Have you tried buying anything lately? Anything from Europe is almost unobtainable. 

 

Pushing labour prices up means we will buy and consume less. Our standard of living will fall, you make like, that I don't. 

There's nothing I have been unable to get. Like what exactly? 

 

I'm sure your not and never have been on minimum wage, if im honest neither have I. I however care about other and I wouldn't be an hgv driver for what there paid, ore a fruit picker, or a slaughterman or many other trades. Why do you think it's okay for them but not for you? 

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

How did 'gump' manage that then ?
Did he lead you to the ballot box by the nose ring and force you to vote for something you didnt really want ?
Or did you actually make a decision for once in your life, where you actually thought something would change ?

People voted for Brexit (or not ) because they wanted change, dont lets all be crying now because change has happened.

And for all those that blame empty shelves and no fuel.....
Seriously , what empty shelves ?  Fuel is back in most stations after an army of idiot panic buyers kept emptying them.
Virtually nothing to do with Brexit, but hey , any excuse to try and blame it.

Yes Brexit has caused issues, literally NOBODY  said it would not.
There would be short term disruption , it was fully expected, then covid happened , and Brexits issues are dwarved.
Or did Brexit cause covid too ?
Because it seems many on here think the two are inextricably linked ?

The whole world is struggling to some extent at the moment for one reason or another, did they all have a Brexit moment too ?

Excellent points. 

[clangerman]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

How did 'gump' manage that then ?
Did he lead you to the ballot box by the nose ring and force you to vote for something you didnt really want ?
Or did you actually make a decision for once in your life, where you actually thought something would change ?

People voted for Brexit (or not ) because they wanted change, dont lets all be crying now because change has happened.

And for all those that blame empty shelves and no fuel.....
Seriously , what empty shelves ?  Fuel is back in most stations after an army of idiot panic buyers kept emptying them.
Virtually nothing to do with Brexit, but hey , any excuse to try and blame it.

Yes Brexit has caused issues, literally NOBODY  said it would not.
There would be short term disruption , it was fully expected, then covid happened , and Brexits issues are dwarved.
Or did Brexit cause covid too ?
Because it seems many on here think the two are inextricably linked ?

The whole world is struggling to some extent at the moment for one reason or another, did they all have a Brexit moment too ?

you pal gump promised control of our borders with brexit between the raft of dinghies walking straight up the beach and foreign boats still taking fish surprised there’s room on the beach for anyone else if that’s a success I’m the tooth fairy 

[12gauge82]

9 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you pal gump promised control of our borders with brexit between the raft of dinghies walking straight up the beach and foreign boats still taking fish surprised there’s room on the beach for anyone else if that’s a success I’m the tooth fairy 

On one hand remoaners on here are complaining that brexit has stopped free movement and now your claiming we haven't taken back control of our borders, which is it? 

[old'un]

12 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you pal gump promised control of our borders with brexit between the raft of dinghies walking straight up the beach and foreign boats still taking fish surprised there’s room on the beach for anyone else if that’s a success I’m the tooth fairy 

Think I need to have a word with you about a tooth I put under my pillow in 1956.

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, old'un said:

I for one would like to see interest rates move up, might get some return on my saving then.

+1

[Rewulf]

16 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you pal gump promised control of our borders with brexit between the raft of dinghies walking straight up the beach and foreign boats still taking fish surprised there’s room on the beach for anyone else if that’s a success I’m the tooth fairy 

My pal 'gump' has to abide by certain human rights laws unfortunately, so Im afraid when the French (who we pay to stop ) escort them into British waters , short of machine gunning them , or illegally sending them back, we have to process their asylum claims.

For this system , you can thank Blair and the EU.

[12gauge82]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My pal 'gump' has to abide by certain human rights laws unfortunately, so Im afraid when the French (who we pay to stop ) escort them into British waters , short of machine gunning them , or illegally sending them back, we have to process their asylum claims.

For this system , you can thank Blair and the EU.

Again spot on. I love the way remoans lambast the current prime minister about problems caused by being an EU member. 

Just when are they going to accept we're out. 

[clangerman]

39 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

My pal 'gump' has to abide by certain human rights laws unfortunately, so Im afraid when the French (who we pay to stop ) escort them into British waters , short of machine gunning them , or illegally sending them back, we have to process their asylum claims.

For this system , you can thank Blair and the EU.

you will have a explanation then why gump does business with country’s that ignore human rights law or does the misery of others count for nothing if you slip us a tenner 

[Rewulf]

37 minutes ago, clangerman said:

you will have a explanation then why gump does business with country’s that ignore human rights law or does the misery of others count for nothing if you slip us a tenner 

Separate issue, but all I will say is this , EVERY 'civilised' country in the entire world does business with those that have questionable values.
Every country that drives cars, or use fossil fuels, has dealt with at least one country that abuses its citizens rights.

We could always go back to using horse and cart if you prefer, or maybe close ourselves off to the rest of humanity , and rest on our own questionable moral behaviour ?

Either way , blaming 'gump' is at best , desperate, and a very weak argument.

[12gauge82]

12 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Separate issue, but all I will say is this , EVERY 'civilised' country in the entire world does business with those that have questionable values.
Every country that drives cars, or use fossil fuels, has dealt with at least one country that abuses its citizens rights.

We could always go back to using horse and cart if you prefer, or maybe close ourselves off to the rest of humanity , and rest on our own questionable moral behaviour ?

Either way , blaming 'gump' is at best , desperate, and a very weak argument.

And this is what it has come to. Remoaners bringing up ridiculous arguments because with all the upcoming positive effects of brexit begining to show and virtually none of the absurd remaniac predictions becoming true, all they have left is silly desperate little arguments 😂😂😂

[clangerman]

8 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Either way , blaming 'gump' is at best , desperate, and a very weak argument.

gump is just a generalisation I consider all politicians little more than thieves every last one of them paid nothing but lip service to leaving but for their sabotage brexit would have been a massive success 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

gump is just a generalisation I consider all politicians little more than thieves every last one of them paid nothing but lip service to leaving but for their sabotage brexit would have been a massive success 

You've got 2 choices, 3 if you count an armed march on Parliament. 

Vote and try to change things, maybe they will just get elected and forget what they promised, maybe not. 

Or don't vote, and let them do as they want? 

It's that simple. 

Eventually, Brexit happened, most politicos didn't want it, but by sheer force of vote numbers it got forced to be. That's democracy. 

Some might call it populist, or slogan driven, it matters not. 

It happened because more people wanted than didn't. 

Again, that simple. 

[Raja Clavata]

5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Please don't put words into my mouth, foreign labour was absolutely driving down the wages of many jobs in the UK, the result of which is many UK workers were rightly not prepared to do them for the amount they would be paid for. With the cheap foreign work force now leaving, simple market forces will rightly push those wages back to where they should be, the recent discussion on hgv driving is a perfect example. But then I'm sure your not really naive and knew all that already, you just don't want to admit it. 

You accuse me of putting words into your mouth then try to tell me what I really think.

You have proved my earlier point about the extremes.

The constant reference to Remoaners is irksome. I will not respond in kind with references to Brexitards as it brings me down to your level.

Patiently looking forward to all the pending positives of Brexit…

By the way, the lack of manpower in unskilled and part skilled jobs is the tip of the iceberg, there’s a massive skills shortage at the highly skilled end of the market (all markets). It’s a global issue but feel free to spin a positive Brexit slant on this and tell us all how Brexit has made us more resilient to this, and many other things.

The reality is that in the sectors I work in Brexit has made the U.K. increasingly irrelevant from a global perspective. Irrefutable fact.

[12gauge82]

 

 

10 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

You accuse me of putting words into your mouth then try to tell me what I really think.

You have proved my earlier point about the extremes.

The constant reference to Remoaners is irksome. I will not respond in kind with references to Brexitards as it brings me down to your level.

Patiently looking forward to all the pending positives of Brexit…

By the way, the lack of manpower in unskilled and part skilled jobs is the tip of the iceberg, there’s a massive skills shortage at the highly skilled end of the market (all markets). It’s a global issue but feel free to spin a positive Brexit slant on this and tell us all how Brexit has made us more resilient to this, and many other things.

The reality is that in the sectors I work in Brexit has made the U.K. increasingly irrelevant from a global perspective. Irrefutable fact.

You implied I was some sort of racist wanting to stop all the "forigeners taking our jobs", I've read your posts on here and your far from stupid, so you know what you were doing.

Its not about that, for me, Brexit was in part giving some power back to those who for too many years have had none, they've been forced out of jobs, or made to take jobs, working long hours for low pay. Explain to me how those peoples lives won't now improve. If employers want to fill those gaps they're now going to have to offer the appropriate wage that has been supprresed for so many years. 

The thing is, the country doesn't revolve around you or me, my interests will probably take a slight hit to, but brexit has undoubtedly been a win for the working masses, if your earning less than 50k a year but particularly the lower end or minimum wage, the gig economy ect, Brexit is going to be a win. I make enough to live very comfortably. Ludicrously rich, large company owners will now only be slightly less ludicrously rich, but to their employees, there will be a life changing difference, which is what I voted for, theyre even considering putting minimum wage up this morning. 

The skill shortage for skilled labour needs plugging by the companies who need it (with maybe some government incentives) by paying to train British workers, offering them well paid jobs and careers at the end of them, relying on foreign labour all the time is doing UK citizens a disservice. But at the end of the day, if there was some gap that needed plugging, the government could decide to do it, it was one of their pledges, "taking back control". 

The reality is, Brexit is delivering, the remoaners are continuing to moan although most have gone silent as it becomes harder to spin their lies as the benefits are starting to bear fruit. 

The irrefutable fact is the UK economy is starting to change from a low skilled, poor paid, dery existence, to a high skilled, high employment level, high pay employment system. The only real loosers are the very wealthy and migrant workers. 

Edited October 6, 2021 by 12gauge82

[mel b3]

7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

 

You implied I was some sort of racist wanting to stop all the "forigeners taking our jobs", I've read your posts on here and your far from stupid, so you know what you were doing.

Its not about that, for me, Brexit was in part giving some power back to those who for too many years have had none, they've been forced out of jobs, or made to take jobs, working long hours for low pay. Explain to me how those peoples lives won't now improve. If employers want to fill those gaps they're now going to have to offer the appropriate wage that has been supprresed for so many years. 

The thing is, the country doesn't revolve around you or me, my interests will probably take a slight hit to, but brexit has undoubtedly been a win for the working masses, if your earning less than 50k a year but particularly the lower end or minimum wage, the gig economy ect, Brexit is going to be a win. I make enough to live very comfortably. Ludicrously rich, large company owners will now only be slightly less ludicrously rich, but to their employees, there will be a life changing difference, which is what I voted for, theyre even considering putting minimum wage up this morning. 

The skill shortage for skilled labour needs plugging by the companies who need it (with maybe some government incentives) by paying to train British workers, offering them well paid jobs and careers at the end of them, relying on foreign labour all the time is doing UK citizens a disservice. But at the end of the day, if there was some gap that needed plugging, the government could decide to do it, it was one of their pledges, "taking back control". 

The reality is, Brexit is delivering, the remoaners are continuing to moan although most have gone silent as it becomes harder to spin their lies as the benefits are starting to bear fruit. 

The irrefutable fact is the UK economy is starting to change from a low skilled, poor paid, dery existence, to a high skilled, high employment level, high pay employment system. The only real loosers are the very wealthy and migrant workers. 

Brilliant post 👍.

[armsid]

Just read about some of the rules for slaughtermen if they want to work here        must be able to read and write english   the bosses are saying this is preventing workers applying ON THE OTHER HAND A SURVEY WAS CARRIED OUT SOME YEARS AGO .THE PERSON WENT FOR JOB IN GERMANY  HE HAD TO SPEAK AND WRITE GERMAN IN 6 MTHS OR NO JOB LIKEWISE HOLLAND SAME THERE LEARN TO SPEAK AND WRITE DUTCH REASONS GIVEN IN BOTH CASES EU HEALTH AND SAFETY RULES BECAUSE IF FIRE DRILL CALLED AND YOU DON,T UNDERSTAND...............

[Cosmicblue]

15 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

 

You implied I was some sort of racist wanting to stop all the "forigeners taking our jobs", I've read your posts on here and your far from stupid, so you know what you were doing.

Its not about that, for me, Brexit was in part giving some power back to those who for too many years have had none, they've been forced out of jobs, or made to take jobs, working long hours for low pay. Explain to me how those peoples lives won't now improve. If employers want to fill those gaps they're now going to have to offer the appropriate wage that has been supprresed for so many years. 

The thing is, the country doesn't revolve around you or me, my interests will probably take a slight hit to, but brexit has undoubtedly been a win for the working masses, if your earning less than 50k a year but particularly the lower end or minimum wage, the gig economy ect, Brexit is going to be a win. I make enough to live very comfortably. Ludicrously rich, large company owners will now only be slightly less ludicrously rich, but to their employees, there will be a life changing difference, which is what I voted for, theyre even considering putting minimum wage up this morning. 

The skill shortage for skilled labour needs plugging by the companies who need it (with maybe some government incentives) by paying to train British workers, offering them well paid jobs and careers at the end of them, relying on foreign labour all the time is doing UK citizens a disservice. But at the end of the day, if there was some gap that needed plugging, the government could decide to do it, it was one of their pledges, "taking back control". 

The reality is, Brexit is delivering, the remoaners are continuing to moan although most have gone silent as it becomes harder to spin their lies as the benefits are starting to bear fruit. 

The irrefutable fact is the UK economy is starting to change from a low skilled, poor paid, dery existence, to a high skilled, high employment level, high pay employment system. The only real loosers are the very wealthy and migrant workers. 

12guage82 your posts would be considerably more plausible if you improved your spelling - ever wondered what the red underline in your text actually means?   If you insist on writing garbage then just put a little more effort into it.

 

 

[mel b3]

5 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

12guage82 your posts would be considerably more plausible if you improved your spelling - ever wondered what the red underline in your text actually means?   If you insist on writing garbage then just put a little more effort into it.

 

 

Oh the irony 😅.

[loriusgarrulus]

21 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

 

 

You implied I was some sort of racist wanting to stop all the "forigeners taking our jobs", I've read your posts on here and your far from stupid, so you know what you were doing.

Its not about that, for me, Brexit was in part giving some power back to those who for too many years have had none, they've been forced out of jobs, or made to take jobs, working long hours for low pay. Explain to me how those peoples lives won't now improve. If employers want to fill those gaps they're now going to have to offer the appropriate wage that has been supprresed for so many years. 

The thing is, the country doesn't revolve around you or me, my interests will probably take a slight hit to, but brexit has undoubtedly been a win for the working masses, if your earning less than 50k a year but particularly the lower end or minimum wage, the gig economy ect, Brexit is going to be a win. I make enough to live very comfortably. Ludicrously rich, large company owners will now only be slightly less ludicrously rich, but to their employees, there will be a life changing difference, which is what I voted for, theyre even considering putting minimum wage up this morning. 

The skill shortage for skilled labour needs plugging by the companies who need it (with maybe some government incentives) by paying to train British workers, offering them well paid jobs and careers at the end of them, relying on foreign labour all the time is doing UK citizens a disservice. But at the end of the day, if there was some gap that needed plugging, the government could decide to do it, it was one of their pledges, "taking back control". 

The reality is, Brexit is delivering, the remoaners are continuing to moan although most have gone silent as it becomes harder to spin their lies as the benefits are starting to bear fruit. 

The irrefutable fact is the UK economy is starting to change from a low skilled, poor paid, dery existence, to a high skilled, high employment level, high pay employment system. The only real loosers are the very wealthy and migrant workers. 

Good post.👍👍

6 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

12guage82 your posts would be considerably more plausible if you improved your spelling - ever wondered what the red underline in your text actually means?   If you insist on writing garbage then just put a little more effort into it.

 

 

 Why are you critising someones spelling. Surely the content is more important than having a go at someone over the odd spelling mistake.

[12gauge82]

8 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

12guage82 your posts would be considerably more plausible if you improved your spelling - ever wondered what the red underline in your text actually means?   If you insist on writing garbage then just put a little more effort into it.

 

 

Your only proving my points, your best argument that brexit isn't working is based on the fact I made some spelling errors. Great argument that 👍

[old'un]

9 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

12guage82 your posts would be considerably more plausible if you improved your spelling - ever wondered what the red underline in your text actually means?   If you insist on writing garbage then just put a little more effort into it.

 

 

There maybe spelling mistakes but how does that make his posts garbage?

Your reply looks very much like you are “playing the man, not the ball”

[Rewulf]

This piece is actually supposed to be serious , but I actually thought it was hilarious !

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/remainers-dub-themselves-brexit-refugees-as-they-flee-uk-to-start-new-lives-in-spain/ar-AAPcpRt?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fbclid=IwAR2mL68ecfqiCS_pffz6wAkMyYC3zfkT0zVkImyX-IMZQlScVnBAhQF9nsg

These poor people who 'fled' the UK because Brexit 'destroyed' the economy, left their non jobs and moved to Spain.
Once there, they found they couldnt get a similar non job, and realised the Spanish economy was far worse !

You couldnt make it up, I thought Brexit derangement had been pretty much eradicated by common truths.
Unfortunately, it seems its making a come back , on the basis of 'Covid isnt to blame, its all about the Brexit'