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28 minutes ago, henry d said:

Which is the stabbing and knife carrying situation at present.

I’ve no doubt that those involved in gang culture have their reasons for carrying knives, self defence is claimed to be just one of them, but we’re talking about law abiding women here, only wanting to feel safe on our streets at night. I believe they should have the choice. 

Lets face it, we are never going to get rid of predators, especially those who predate on those they perceive to be weak and or defenceless. What do you suggest we do Henry?
 

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9 minutes ago, Scully said:

 What do you suggest we do Henry?

 

Don't hold your breath, he ignores questions he hasn't got the answer to, even after making silly or patronising statements implying he is so much more enlightened than everyone else. 

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Which is what I was getting at. Why should women need to behave differently? The fault lies squarely with attitudes toward women, so that means men are at fault.

What a load of rubbish. It isn't just women who are at risk. If you think it is women who are at risk, go and have a walk around Moss Side late at night. No-one is safe.

Not enough police - too much paperwork - not visible. Courts lacking the will to send idiots to prison. If prisons are overcrowded - build more or let them be overcrowded. It isn't meant to a holiday camp. 

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12 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

What a load of rubbish. It isn't just women who are at risk. If you think it is women who are at risk, go and have a walk around Moss Side late at night. No-one is safe.

Not enough police - too much paperwork - not visiible. Courts lacking the will to send idiots to prison. If prisons are overcrowded - build more or let them be overcrowded. It isn't meant to a holiday camp. 

:good::good::good:

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1 hour ago, Gordon R said:

What a load of rubbish. It isn't just women who are at risk. If you think it is women who are at risk, go and have a walk around Moss Side late at night. No-one is safe.

Not enough police - too much paperwork - not visible. Courts lacking the will to send idiots to prison. If prisons are overcrowded - build more or let them be overcrowded. It isn't meant to a holiday camp. 

This is spot on. 

 

If you look at the stats, men are actually far more likely to be assaulted or murdered than women. 

I think it's the type of murder or assault that makes it worse. 

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5 hours ago, Scully said:

...self defence is claimed to be just one of them,...

Which is exactly what you suggested, what is the difference?

 

4 hours ago, Gordon R said:

...go and have a walk around Moss Side late at night. No-one is safe.

Talk about rubbish, that's just one place or are you saying everywhere is unsafe for everyone, give your head a good shake! 

 

4 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

:good::good::good:

And you too.

 

5 hours ago, Scully said:

we’re talking about law abiding women here,

Well they won't be if they are armed and on the streets will they. Give yours a good wobble too!

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5 minutes ago, henry d said:

Which is exactly what you suggested, what is the difference?

 

Talk about rubbish, that's just one place or are you saying everywhere is unsafe for everyone, give your head a good shake! 

 

And you too.

 

Well they won't be if they are armed and on the streets will they. Give yours a good wobble too!

What a load of nonsense. 

And talk about sheer arrogance. Don't suppose you'll answer my question henry? 

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16 minutes ago, henry d said:

Talk about rubbish, that's just one place or are you saying everywhere is unsafe for everyone, give your head a good shake! 

Just been discussing this with my sister in law, and like SHE said, you have to take care of yourself,  be careful about where you are if your walking late at night, lock the doors when your in the car, don't walk through a park, and how things have changed over the years.

She surprised me by saying she wouldn't get out of the car at night for the police, she would stop, acknowledge and say I'm driving to that garage/shop or home so follow me there, that's something I'd never thought of.

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18 minutes ago, henry d said:

 

Talk about rubbish, that's just one place or are you saying everywhere is unsafe for everyone, give your head a good shake! 

 

on this one your wrong if the local hospitals don’t have more than one stabbing in tonight there’s something wrong most attacks don’t even make the news anyone who thinks it’s safe out there is asking to be a victim 

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11 hours ago, henry d said:

Which is what I was getting at. Why should women need to behave differently?

  I won't walk along empty roads in darkness,

Some people are bad, that is it.  Bad people do bad things, as a bloke, I don't want bad things to happen to me, so I don't travel alone, on a public road at night.

  Women are weaker, physically, so don't walk alone in the the dark, simple.

it is not nice to say this, but it is a fact, bad people exist, who would have thought it?

 

RS

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Following this horrific murder I am sure police will not be approaching any lone females alone and will expect to be challenged if they do. I know a female uniformed officer who on night shift will look for lone females walking and offer a lift home - why because they are vulnerable and unfortunately there are some nasty men out there who will be on the prowl.

I read some years ago that children of 14 and under are learning about sex from watching porn on the internet. These sites degrade women and young boys think this behaviour is what happens in a loving relationship. Teenage pregnancy rates have fallen in the past 20 years partly because young men who have watched porn from young age do not perform the act which results in reproduction.

It will never happen because money is involved- but these sites should be closed down and sex education should begin at school not on a computer screen.

We need to educate young men to respect women. Men also have a responsibility to be vigilant to look after women who are walking home alone.

Just my opinion.

Hitman 

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10 minutes ago, the hitman said:

Following this horrific murder I am sure police will not be approaching any lone females alone and will expect to be challenged if they do. I know a female uniformed officer who on night shift will look for lone females walking and offer a lift home - why because they are vulnerable and unfortunately there are some nasty men out there who will be on the prowl.

I read some years ago that children of 14 and under are learning about sex from watching porn on the internet. These sites degrade women and young boys think this behaviour is what happens in a loving relationship. Teenage pregnancy rates have fallen in the past 20 years partly because young men who have watched porn from young age do not perform the act which results in reproduction.

It will never happen because money is involved- but these sites should be closed down and sex education should begin at school not on a computer screen.

We need to educate young men to respect women. Men also have a responsibility to be vigilant to look after women who are walking home alone.

Just my opinion.

Hitman 

I'm not sure I agree with all that, most men are decent people and even most of the bad ones wouldn't harm a women, thankfully it's a very rare crime, but rightly gets alot of publicity when it happens. As a male your far more likely to be assaulted or murdered. 

As for porn, there's always been naughty mags and films, I don't think that's the problem, the problem is the odd psychopath and unfortunately, that's always going to exist, what was Jack the rippers excuse? 

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20 hours ago, chrisjpainter said:

Advocating to make women lose abilities taken for granted by men is hardly the way to go about equality.

Equality or safety 

This is nothing new. When I was a lad in the early 60’s I could go out walking all night long over the hills by myself but the girls wouldn’t have done it. 
 

In Reading girls wouldn’t go home alone, in those days boys would escort them, for nothing more than a wave good night. Because they wanted them to get home safely.
 

Now with this equality lark they suddenly think everything has changed. Folk forget things like Jack the Ripper have happened since the beginning of time. Nothing has changed, and reality never will.

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13 minutes ago, clangerman said:

on this one your wrong if the local hospitals don’t have more than one stabbing in tonight there’s something wrong most attacks don’t even make the news anyone who thinks it’s safe out there is asking to be a victim 

Ok, I have walked through the streets ( and back streets) of the west end of Newcastle, Arthur's hill, benwell, cowgate and I got a broken nose and eye orbit, I got worse on the rugby field. New York, Pensacola, Charleston, Djibouti, Karachi, Brest in France (interesting for British forces personnel),  Glasgow city centre during the Scotland v England game, Clydebank, Paisley, the Gorbals, Parkheed, Shettleston, Whitfield, Douglas, and the Hilltoon in Dundee, Saughton, pilton, Granton, in Edinburgh, Stonehouse, swilly, st bud in Plymouth and countless other places that people think of as "bad" and not a scratch, just thought of another, digbeth in Brum was fun 3 white guys and a room full of black people listening to spoken word about white privilege and black suppression.

21 minutes ago, the hitman said:

We need to educate young men to respect women.

Which is the bottom line

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23 minutes ago, RockySpears said:

...some people are bad, that is it.  Bad people do bad things, as a bloke, I don't want bad things to happen to me, so I don't travel alone, on a public road at night...

This raises the question why do physically fit/large women not do the amount of bad things men do?

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44 minutes ago, the hitman said:

 

We need to educate young men to respect women. Men also have a responsibility to be vigilant to look after women who are walking home alone.

Just my opinion.

Hitman 

the same women who have for the last few years banged the hate men drum non stop and instantly blame men when something like this happens keep kicking a dog don’t expect it to protect you 

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23 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm not sure I agree with all that, most men are decent people and even most of the bad ones wouldn't harm a women, thankfully it's a very rare crime, but rightly gets alot of publicity when it happens. As a male your far more likely to be assaulted or murdered. 

As for porn, there's always been naughty mags and films, I don't think that's the problem, the problem is the odd psychopath and unfortunately, that's always going to exist, what was Jack the rippers excuse? 

I think we are talking about sexual predators who are looking to prey on vulnerable women- not men who are regarded as bad in other ways. Interesting Ted Bundy blamed watching pornography at an early age for his unhealthy interest in women which as we know lead to him because a serial killer.

I don’t see the comparison between naughty mags and the dark porn sites that are available at a few clicks.

I agree with your Jack the Ripper example that psycho’s have always existed.

 

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22 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, what about those small alarms that can go in pocket or handbag ? 

sorry No one takes any notice of car or house alarms so who's going to intervien between a copper arresting someone.?

14 hours ago, Jaymo said:

Women shouldn’t have to worry about being alone or what time if day it is, full stop………?

 

13 hours ago, loriusgarrulus said:

I live in a nice area, but I wouldn't go walking about the village late at night on my own.

I used to go night fishing on the beach with my late husband and to isolated lakes, but now I am on my own I can't risk it.

Its not just men who are a hazard now. There are some yobbish teenage girls about who are a hazard too.

Now I have the worry of dog thieves when I walk the dogs too. 

It's  difficult.

12 hours ago, henry d said:

Which is what I was getting at. Why should women need to behave differently? The fault lies squarely with attitudes toward women, so that means men are at fault.

 

11 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

The point is though, how do you make women safer? 

The only way I can see is women being careful, it's not fair and its not right, but that's the reality of the situation. 

If i cross the road on foot at a junction, the law says I have priority over cars, I'm still going to look because the laws of phisics says I'll loose an argument with a car and it's the same for women, they shouldn't have to take extra care incase a psychopath wants to harm them, but unfortunately it's the only way they can be kept safe. 

 

8 hours ago, clangerman said:

had the police not turned a blind eye to this nuts previous conduct he would not have had the power to stop and detain the victim so  her death is full square a failure by the police nobody else empowered the nut 

this is about right and accounts for the stupid police response.

1 hour ago, RockySpears said:

  I won't walk along empty roads in darkness,

Some people are bad, that is it.  Bad people do bad things, as a bloke, I don't want bad things to happen to me, so I don't travel alone, on a public road at night.

  Women are weaker, physically, so don't walk alone in the the dark, simple.

it is not nice to say this, but it is a fact, bad people exist, who would have thought it?

 

RS

 

26 minutes ago, the hitman said:

I think we are talking about sexual predators who are looking to prey on vulnerable women- not men who are regarded as bad in other ways. Interesting Ted Bundy blamed watching pornography at an early age for his unhealthy interest in women which as we know lead to him because a serial killer.

I don’t see the comparison between naughty mags and the dark porn sites that are available at a few clicks.

I agree with your Jack the Ripper example that psycho’s have always existed.

 

unfortunately it's a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some year ago a woman delivery driver who frequently delivered to us was murdered in daylight whist she was parked up eating her lunch.  As far as I know no one was every found to be responsible. She was a nice strong capable person who was in the wrong place.  It doesn't have to be after dark and people just don't want to get involved in anything.

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Talk about rubbish, that's just one place or are you saying everywhere is unsafe for everyone, give your head a good shake! 

henry d - your arrogance is breathtaking. I could not say which areas are safe - neither can you. Some are known to be bad areas, but perhaps you can supply a safe list of places to go, so that the public can be safe. 

I trust your ill judged remarks are posted only to provoke a reaction. I find it hard to credit that someone could be intentionally so silly.

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2 hours ago, henry d said:

Which is exactly what you suggested, what is the difference?

Well they won't be if they are armed and on the streets will they. Give yours a good wobble too!

In answer to your first question, the difference is that those involved in gang/drug culture are by and large involved in an illegal activity, whereby the carrying of knives and guns is common. 
As for the second point, that depends what they’re armed with. It doesn’t have to be a knife, but it does have to be effective. 
I note you still haven’t answered my question Henry, what do you suggest they do, given that at the point they need the Police, they won’t be there? 
 

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1 hour ago, henry d said:

Ok, I have walked through the streets ( and back streets) of the west end of Newcastle, Arthur's hill, benwell, cowgate and I got a broken nose and eye orbit, I got worse on the rugby field. New York, Pensacola, Charleston, Djibouti, Karachi, Brest in France (interesting for British forces personnel),  Glasgow city centre during the Scotland v England game, Clydebank, Paisley, the Gorbals, Parkheed, Shettleston, Whitfield, Douglas, and the Hilltoon in Dundee, Saughton, pilton, Granton, in Edinburgh, Stonehouse, swilly, st bud in Plymouth and countless other places that people think of as "bad" and not a scratch, just thought of another, digbeth in Brum was fun 3 white guys and a room full of black people listening to spoken word about white privilege and black suppression.

Which is the bottom line

So your going to take your own personal experience and think that makes a full scientific study then, considering your arrogant, high horsed and smug response you usually give people when they use personal experience as an example to anything you post, that's just a bit rich. 

The actual fact is, males are far more likely to be the victim of violence than females. 

Again, I won't hold my breath for a response. 

6 minutes ago, Scully said:


I note you still haven’t answered my question Henry, what do you suggest they do, given that at the point they need the Police, they won’t be there? 

Henry doesn't answer difficult questions. 

He only posts smug, sneering remarks, in an attempt to make himself appear intelligent. 

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7 minutes ago, Scully said:

note you still haven’t answered my question Henry, what do you suggest they do, given that at the point they need the Police, they won’t be there? 

They could double the numbers of police over night, and they'd still be unlikely to be around at the point of an attack. 

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