New Gov't advice for women

[12gauge82]

47 minutes ago, henry d said:

Why are you forcing me down a dead end, it's men that are killing women, why can't you understand that? 

Talk to your boys about not leering at women, not objectifying women, not using porn sites as sexual education, treating everyone as an equal, teach them to either confront these misogynistic ideologies or report them. It's not rocket science!

You should try researching things before pressing the send button.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_razor_gangs

And they are not the only ones

And you should try researching things, if ever there was proof that tough tactics in law enforcement works, I cut and paste this from the link you provided. 

In the early 1930s, gang numbers started to decrease, mainly due to the work of the chief constable of the City of Glasgow Police, Sir Percy Sillitoe. Brought in due to his work with similar gangs in Sheffield, his tactic was to recruit big, strong men from rural areas and the Scottish Highlands.^[1] Due also to the start of World War II, the Billy boys went into decline in the late 1930s.

 

So the next time you think you can help criminals change their ways through "rehabilitation" and sitting down and talking with them, perhaps you should take your own advice and read that paragraph from your link and take note on how you get scum to change their ways. 

Again, I won't expect a reply from you, you can't answer difficult questions. 

[Nuke]

5 hours ago, henry d said:

Talk to your boys about not leering at women, not objectifying women, not using porn sites as sexual education, treating everyone as an equal, teach them to either confront these misogynistic ideologies or report them. It's not rocket science!

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[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, Nuke said:

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[Scully]

8 hours ago, henry d said:

Why are you forcing me down a dead end, it's men that are killing women, why can't you understand that? 

Talk to your boys about not leering at women, not objectifying women, not using porn sites as sexual education, treating everyone as an equal, teach them to either confront these misogynistic ideologies or report them. It's not rocket science!

 

You are the one stating that women shouldn’t be allowed to carry anything for self defence Henry, so I’m asking you what they should do to protect themselves. It’s not a difficult question. 
I have absolutely no worries about my son and his attitudes towards the opposite sex, but I am very worried about my daughter and her safety in the streets at night, and also my son for that matter. 
I can applaud your long term aims Henry, I really can, but they’re pretty idealistic and like I say, loooong term, so what do you suggest women can and should do now Henry, today or tomorrow, to protect themselves so they can feel safe out there, or when that piece of scum confronts them and help is nowhere to be seen? 

[RockySpears]

On 02/10/2021 at 21:08, henry d said:

This raises the question why do physically fit/large women not do the amount of bad things men do?

  Because it is not in their nature to be like that.  Men and women are different.  Men anger faster, are more likely to use violence to settle differences etc etc.

This just how it is.  I myself have gotten ready to knock some ones lights out, but, fortunately for me, there has always been a calmer head around to say it is "not worth it".

It would be lovely if anyone, not just women and girls could walk around alone at anytime, anyehere, but it just is not going to happen, ever.

 

There are bad people in the World,

 

RS

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, RockySpears said:

There are bad people in the World,

 

Yes, and the situation is made worse by those who feel a 'hug and a chat' is the soultion, not punishment, and thoses blaming others, and thus enabling the perpetrator to blame others, for their heinous crimes.

It's not their fault, it's society/poverty/porn etc....

Edited October 4, 2021 by Newbie to this

[Rewulf]

15 hours ago, henry d said:

Talk to your boys about not leering at women, not objectifying women, not using porn sites as sexual education, treating everyone as an equal, teach them to either confront these misogynistic ideologies or report them. It's not rocket science!

You cant report someone for a misogynistic ideology ! 

There are certain British demographics and religions who actively promote it , so the police could become very busy if it were so.....

[RockySpears]

38 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

You cant report someone for a misogynistic ideology !

  I bet you can.  Sadly we have "Non-Crime" charges in the UK which will go on a DBS check so you could loose your job (if a teacher, nurse etc etc).  Someone just calls the Police, reports that they think a Mysoginistic hate crime has happened and the Police will call you up and mark you down as guilty of a Non-Crime.

"Where it is established that a criminal offence has not taken place, but the victim or any other person perceives that the incident was motivated wholly or partially by hostility, it should be recorded and flagged as a non-crime hate incident."

This is what the Police teach these days:

https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/major-investigation-and-public-protection/hate-crime/responding-to-non-crime-hate-incidents/

Anyone can be taken down for anything!

 

RS

 

   As an addendum:

"Miscellaneous crimes against Society"  how's that for a broad definition of a crime?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/no-crimes-data

Edited October 4, 2021 by RockySpears

[clangerman]

13 minutes ago, RockySpears said:

 

"Where it is established that a criminal offence has not taken place, but the victim or any other person perceives that the incident was motivated wholly or partially by hostility, it should be recorded and flagged as a non-crime hate incident."

guilty until proven innocent the lunatics have clearly won welcome to police state Britain 

[Rewulf]

58 minutes ago, RockySpears said:

"Where it is established that a criminal offence has not taken place, but the victim or any other person perceives that the incident was motivated wholly or partially by hostility, it should be recorded and flagged as a non-crime hate incident."

The devil being in the detail, if an incident has been proven to NOT have been a crime , then misogyny, homophobia or racism cannot really be an aggravating factor.

Many people are now touting the (non) fact that misogyny is now a crime, or even a non crime 'hate incident'
The fact is ,as above , in can only be an aggravating factor, as part of an actual crime, even if that 'crime' is an incident of harassment , or other verbal altercation.
Henry decided that 'misogynistic ideology' could be reported to the police, this simply isnt possible, as misogyny exists in everyday life, in advertising , religious text , media and entertainment, its only when someone becomes offended by it that the thought police MIGHT try to make something of it.

[RockySpears]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

as misogyny exists in everyday life, in advertising , religious text , media and entertainment, its only when someone becomes offended by it that   Exactlythe thought police MIGHT try to make something of it.

Exactly.  Mysogyny can get you a record IF someone reports an incident.  By this standard any action of yours at which someone else is offended, gets you a record with the Police and can lose you your job,

 

RS

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I see another Met officer charged and in the same department as Couzens ?

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Shocking!

[Cosmicblue]

For all our 21st century sophistication we often lose sight of the fact that we are all at the far end of 3 or 4 million years of evolution and our instincts are still pretty primal.  1,000 years ago, relatively recently in time-line terms, we were living in caves and mud huts.   We kill each other or use extreme violence when attacked or excessive force to get what we want.   Males want females so as to reproduce their line - primal instinct. Females are attracted to males with a bit of an 'edge', they are most likely terrible partner choices but in primal instinct terms could have put food on the table as an effective hunter.

Absolutely none of the above is acceptable in our society today.   Females will always be vulnerable and not safe without taking precautions as the males still tread a fine line between being acceptable and primitive behaviour.  

 

 

[Rewulf]

54 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said:

Absolutely none of the above is acceptable in our society today.   Females will always be vulnerable and not safe without taking precautions as the males still tread a fine line between being acceptable and primitive behaviour.

This. 

1 hour ago, RockySpears said:

Exactly.  Mysogyny can get you a record IF someone reports an incident.  By this standard any action of yours at which someone else is offended, gets you a record with the Police and can lose you your job,

 

RS

Not really, misogyny on its own can never be a crime, its simply not possible, for the reasons above, and because we would have to outlaw many cultural and religious beliefs, a far greater crime... Some might say.