chrisjpainter Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I've just rewatched Episode II of this pantomime, so thought I might as well start the thread... I'm really hoping It's a case of meet the third part, same as the second part and Fury outboxes him all round the ring again. In my head there's always a nagging doubt that something will go terribly, terribly wrong! Still. Fury and possibly inside the distance. Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think Wilder has the heavier punch, but also think Fury has a better chin. Wilder can't outbox Fury and will have to rely on catching him with a big one. Fury is allegedly coming in 20 pounds heavier than last time and I think he will manhandle Wilder and give him another beating. With Heavyweight boxing - one big punch and all bets are off. I hope Fury does it. He seems to have cleaned up his act and comes across as a better person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I agree with the above, but not strongly enough to put money on. If Wilder has a canny enough coaching team behind him, he may find himself a strategy that foxes Fury the same way that Fury did him in the second fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Unless wilder catches fury with a lucky shot (it could happen, its heavyweight boxing and wilder is probably the biggest hitter the sport has ever seen), wilder is toast, he'll take a bigger beating this time than the last. Looking forwards to fury vs Usyk and AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Fury will school him. I just cannot see Wilder getting past Fury’s defences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 22:05, chrisjpainter said: I've just rewatched Episode II of this pantomime, so thought I might as well start the thread... I'm really hoping It's a case of meet the third part, same as the second part and Fury outboxes him all round the ring again. In my head there's always a nagging doubt that something will go terribly, terribly wrong! Still. Fury and possibly inside the distance. Again I've just read something trying to say Fury isn't in shape, and hasn't had a good camp, I'm hoping it's just smoke, he's beaten Wilder twice so other than a power punch catching Fury, then it should be Fury all the way. And in a way I would like Fury to not fight AJ, be great if he just turned around and said there's no point, he's not good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Duckandswing said: Fury will school him. I just cannot see Wilder getting past Fury’s defences. fury may be loud but not a fool and can take a punch my bets on fury muscle bound cant move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Mice! said: I've just read something trying to say Fury isn't in shape, and hasn't had a good camp, I'm hoping it's just smoke, he's beaten Wilder twice so other than a power punch catching Fury, then it should be Fury all the way. And in a way I would like Fury to not fight AJ, be great if he just turned around and said there's no point, he's not good enough for me. I wouldn't listen too much to that, fury is in a different league to wilder but he knows how dangerous he is, he's already felt his power and would be a fool to take him lightly. I expect he's put a fair bit of muscle on and is looking to stop him early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 22 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Unless wilder catches fury with a lucky shot (it could happen, its heavyweight boxing and wilder is probably the biggest hitter the sport has ever seen), wilder is toast, he'll take a bigger beating this time than the last. Looking forwards to fury vs Usyk and AJ. Ernie Shavers, George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Ron Lyle, Gerry Cooney all had a better punch than Wilder to name the first to spring to mind. Liston's jab was insane. I think the danger comes from Wilders ability a decent punch from an odd angle. As you say one lucky shot is all that it takes! Fury v Usyk would be good. AJ will get walked over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 I don't think either of them are as good as they think they are. Fury probably the best of a dreadful heavyweight era at the moment. I'll be glad when this "trilogy" nonsense is over. There's only so many times people want to watch the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Wharf Rat said: Ernie Shavers, George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Ron Lyle, Gerry Cooney all had a better punch than Wilder to name the first to spring to mind. Liston's jab was insane. I think the danger comes from Wilders ability a decent punch from an odd angle. As you say one lucky shot is all that it takes! Fury v Usyk would be good. AJ will get walked over. Definitely some massive hitters in your list, not sure they were anymore devastating than wilder, particularly if you look at his stoppage stats, but it's a difficult thing to compare. I just want fury to get rid of him and watch some other fights now. Fury vs usyk would be an interesting one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 2 hours ago, walshie said: I don't think either of them are as good as they think they are. Fury probably the best of a dreadful heavyweight era at the moment. I'll be glad when this "trilogy" nonsense is over. There's only so many times people want to watch the same thing. Having beaten him twice I don't see the need for a third fight, what's the point? If it was one a piece then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mice! said: Having beaten him twice I don't see the need for a third fight, what's the point? If it was one a piece then yes. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Quote I think the danger comes from Wilders ability a decent punch from an odd angle. Nail on the head. He has also knocked over a whole lot with glass chins, which boosted his knockout percentage. Looking through his record, the first name I recognised was in his 28th fight - Audley Harrison - enough said. He has fought Bermane Stiverne twice and Chris Arreola - both names - just. Luis Ortiz gave him a hard time in the first fight and wobbled him, in the 8th - from memory. Wilder was knocked out by a Russian amateur, so has not got the best chin. He has a big punch and is unconventional - his two assets. Fury has the better chin, faster hands, faster feet, moves well for a heavyweight and has a decent boxing brain. I sincerely hope justic is done. Boxers get beaten, but Wilder's list of bizarre excuses grows longer by the minute. Edited October 8, 2021 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Nail on the head. He has also knocked over a whole lot with glass chins, which boosted his knockout percentage. Looking through his record, the first name I recognised was in his 28th fight - Audley Harrison - enough said. He has fought Bermane Stiverne twice and Chris arreola - both names - just. Luis Ortiz gave him a hard time in the first fight and wobbled him, in the 8th - from memory. Wilder was knocked out by a Russian amateur, so has not got the best chin. He has a big punch and is unconventional - his two assets. Fury has the better chin, faster hands, faster feet, moves well for a heavyweight and has a decent boxing brain. I sincerely hope justic is done. Boxers get beaten, but Wilder's list of bizarre excuses grows longer by the minute. Just on your point about wilder, your right some of his fights have been against journey men and certainly less than top 10 opponents. However there's no doubt the guy is one of the heaviest hitters to ever walk the planet. Many of the other greats listed above have also fought lesser guys, particularly at the start of their careers, but the fact remains, wilder has the highest knock out percentage of any heavy weight boxer in history. It's easy to look back with Rose tinted glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Just on your point about wilder, your right some of his fights have been against journey men and certainly less than top 10 opponents. However there's no doubt the guy is one of the heaviest hitters to ever walk the planet. Many of the other greats listed above have also fought lesser guys, particularly at the start of their careers, but the fact remains, wilder has the highest knock out percentage of any heavy weight boxer in history. It's easy to look back with Rose tinted glasses. Quite so. And I think it's one of the reasons Fury only boxed off the conventional in his second fight. He might be able to switch to southpaw and it's a very useful tactic, but with Wilder's power in the right, having a long left jab helped to neuter Wilder's ability to swing past it with that crushing wright. It's smart by Fury, because he could have shown off with his range of boxing skills, but he kept his ego in check nicely and boxed with the right game plan, not the showy one. More of the same please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: Quite so. And I think it's one of the reasons Fury only boxed off the conventional in his second fight. He might be able to switch to southpaw and it's a very useful tactic, but with Wilder's power in the right, having a long left jab helped to neuter Wilder's ability to swing past it with that crushing wright. It's smart by Fury, because he could have shown off with his range of boxing skills, but he kept his ego in check nicely and boxed with the right game plan, not the showy one. More of the same please... Good post, absolutely agree,and in fairness to fury, boxing someone with Wilders power, in his position, I'd do exactly the same, Wilders not the type of guy you want to get cocky with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Happy days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 It went the way the thread suggested. Wilder can punch, Fury has the better chin and more heart. Wilder down in 3rd, Fury down twice in the 4th, Wilder in 10th and KO'd by Fury in 11th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Yes indeed, from the report on the BBC News this morning it sounds like quite a fight. It was also mentioned that Wilder left quite quickly and didn't attend the post match news conference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted October 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 The scorecard: Could someone tell me how Pink only scored the 10th 10-9 to Fury? Fury knocked Wilder down, so that should be 10-8, as the other two had it. Even if Wilder came back to win the round, that'd surely be 9-9, because he'd still have been knocked down, but Fury would drop one too. 10-9 doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 I woke up and put the radio on as they were walking to the ring. Sounded like a hell of a battle, and Wilder won respect through the contest, which he then seemed to throw away by ignoring Fury at the end. It feels like the fight did live up to the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 I hope Wilder is ok, he really took some punishment towards the final rounds and fought on. A true warrior beaten by a superior opponent. I hate the build up, trash talk, costumes and hype. But love a good hard fought fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Just watched most of it..... Wilder looked out of it and ref/corner let the man take a beating just cause hes a 1 punch trick pony.....will be very surprised if there was no damage done to him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 Nowhere for Wilder to go now. I hope he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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