TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, old man said: Blimey. The supposed conscripts rushing for the exits would be the first in the queues to leave? And they could use all the bloody rubber boats that have been saved for posterity at Dover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, islandgun said: ......... im thinking somewhere nearer the south coast would be better..😉 Bleak, inhospitable, South-East, well the Isle of Sheppey springs to mind 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, islandgun said: Not many would survive in a tent the last few days 🥶 You wouldnt think many would survive a dinghy crossing the Channel this time of year . Dont doubt the resilience of those fleeing war and famine, theyll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rewulf said: You wouldnt think many would survive a dinghy crossing the Channel this time of year . Dont doubt the resilience of those fleeing war and famine, theyll be fine Plus the Engineer aplenty amongst them, can build some shelter, and the Doctors/Nurses aplenty amongst them, can see to those who catch hypothermia etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Plus the Engineer aplenty amongst them, can build some shelter, and the Doctors/Nurses aplenty amongst them, can see to those who catch hypothermia etc. Sounds like the beginnings of an advanced successful civilisation, like the one they err... Left behind them in err, ruins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: Sounds like the beginnings of an advanced successful civilisation Time travel may still be on the cards then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamyonsofor Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 15/12/2022 at 08:47, JohnfromUK said: Which is why the whole problem would almost vanish if they knew they would be sent straight back to France. As I said above - the French could easily stop almost all traffic by allowing them to be shipped back. We pay the French a LOT of money - and for that they should be taking all that cross illegally back. I agree it is all about what France can get out it financially we pay them millions and they do nothing for the money and never intend to,when I was doing international truck driving the French Customs and Police were corrupt as ..ck any reason for a tug then the demands and excuses for money if they weren't at the port exit they were at St.Omer with road blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 If we sent them all back to France and France took them all back it would work after a short while Initially it would cause chaos in France but very soon the realisation would dawn that its not working anymore and its never going to work in the future People would then stop coming to Calais to try and get across. That would solve our problem and France's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Vince Green said: If we sent them all back to France and France took them all back it would work after a short while Initially it would cause chaos in France but very soon the realisation would dawn that its not working anymore and its never going to work in the future People would then stop coming to Calais to try and get across. That would solve our problem and France's Except France uses the issue to encourage remainers to become rejoiners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, Vince Green said: If we sent them all back to France and France took them all back it would work after a short while Initially it would cause chaos in France but very soon the realisation would dawn that its not working anymore and its never going to work in the future People would then stop coming to Calais to try and get across. That would solve our problem and France's In fact, this is really one of possibly two solutions that I can see would work 'long term'. The first is to 'give in' and allow FAR greater legal immigration, so they al;l arrive on standard commercial ferries, flights, Eurostar trains. That is obviously unacceptable to the UK. As long as there is a significant chance of succeeding in getting permanent UK residence, the demand to cross illegally will remain ......... and whilst demand remains - the gangs organising this will continue to supply what is for them a highly profitable service. It must therefore be very clear that even if you get across the channel safely, you will be shipped straight back. Once people realise they are spending the money and ending back where they started - then the demand should go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 We can't deport criminals that arrived here illegally twenty or thirty years ago. What makes anyone think this lot will be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Wymondley said: We can't deport criminals that arrived here illegally twenty or thirty years ago. What makes anyone think this lot will be any different? The real difference today is that thanks to Brexit, we're free to leave the the human rights act and could abolish EU court supremacy, the fact we have a government that wants to keep us as closely aligned to EU legislation and would have kept us in the EU, although not ideal, at least the power is now in the UK populations hands, we could vote a government in who would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: at least the power is now in the UK populations hands, we could vote a government in who would do it. With respect, you have far too much faith in the system. Anything remotely radical, or common sensible, simply won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, Rewulf said: With respect, you have far too much faith in the system. Anything remotely radical, or common sensible, simply won't happen. I can assure you I have zero faith in the system 😂👍. My point was that it is at least now theoretically possible for the people to vote for change, where as before it was a literal impossibility for the UK to have unilaterally done so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Hello, I see they arrested a man for the deaths of 4 in the latest channel tragedy , 19 years old 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I see they arrested a man for the deaths of 4 in the latest channel tragedy , 19 years old 🤔 Yes he was the boat master apparently. A small cog in the wheel and he hasn't been arrested over the deaths (at the moment) he been arrested on people trafficking charges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 How is it they can Identify the boat master in this situation, but can't on all the other boats arriving here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Rem260 said: How is it they can Identify the boat master in this situation, but can't on all the other boats arriving here. Because they don't want to, or can't be bothered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: My point was that it is at least now theoretically possible for the people to vote for change, where as before it was a literal impossibility for the UK to have unilaterally done so. 11 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Because they don't want to, or can't be bothered Because some people died , its hit the media , and they want someone to blame, the man steering the boat was the prime candidate. Any other time, the man steering gets back on the ferry 24 hours later to bring another one over. One wonders on his immigration status , and nationality , it would appear free movement is still a thing on the Channel run ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 So now we have the High Court, on one hand saying that it is OK to dispatch asylum seekers to Rwanda and on the other that the individual cases should be reviewed by the Home Secretary. What a waste of time, but a good earner, as always, for the lawyers. A better judgement, IMHO, would have been that if asylum seekers come here illegally, ie via a trafficker, they will be shipped out asap, but, if they follow normal channels, they can be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Looking at the news coverage re "Ruanda placements" having been found legal the main protests seem to be supported (according to the placards) by the civil service unions. What a surprise Obviously afraid they might actually have to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: Looking at the news coverage re "Ruanda placements" having been found legal the main protests seem to be supported (according to the placards) by the civil service unions. What a surprise Obviously afraid they might actually have to do something. Strange as it may seem I think you are spot on with that comment. The sooner the general public come to realise that the Civil Service is actively obstructing the processing of migrants the sooner we might get the log jam cleared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Strange as it may seem I think you are spot on with that comment. The sooner the general public come to realise that the Civil Service is actively obstructing the processing of migrants the sooner we might get the log jam cleared The sooner people realise, the civil service are one of our main problems in the UK, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 could we not give them there wee boats back a compass and say its that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 On 18/12/2022 at 15:00, Wymondley said: We can't deport criminals that arrived here illegally twenty or thirty years ago. What makes anyone think this lot will be any different? Correct. Is it jut me that knows the French will never accept them back ot prevent them coming? They simply don't want them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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