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The call for evidence questions seek information pertaining to shooting ranges, hunting, game meat, and manufacture and supply. It also includes home-loading, lead ammunition alternatives, the impact of the voluntary transition, the impact of lead ammunition on wildlife; and the effect of restrictions on businesses and shooters.

This is a technical information gathering process and it is important that shooting organisations, shooting businesses and firearms and ammunition manufacturers provide as much information as possible.

 

 

 

"Lead ammunition alternatives the manufacture and supply and the effect of restrictions on businesses and shooters" A key principle we must not lose sight of is that further restrictions must not be imposed until effective and affordable types of sustainable ammunition are available in sufficient volumes to meet demand.

As said in another thread steel is in very short supply and will be for a very very long time.

 

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13 hours ago, bigroomboy said:

You are free to do your own research but there are plenty of journal articles to back that up. Here is the top of the search list and quite a reasonable read.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4961898/

I'm not sure quite why we are disputing well understood scientific understanding in this way. Is lead good for shot/ammunition - yes. Is it toxic - yes. Is society going to ask us to find an alternative - probably. Are there alternatives that work - yes some are better than lead and some are not quite as good... yet. You need to choose that alternative based on what you will be doing. Average syndicate pheasant 20 yards, steel is more than adequate. High pheasants, then tungsten or bismuth. The cost is insignificant compared to the cost of the day. The move by BASC is in the knowledge that this is likely to happen and therefore stimulate the industry to make better options before we are forced down that route. Just look how much more innovation there has been in biowads in the last year. Industry are lazy and will not do anything unless they are pushed. 

How can you say the cost is insignificant? 
do you/have you ever shot a big day at driven birds? 
the additional cost will make it even less achievable for the ordinary person to participate 

 

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17 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

How can you say the cost is insignificant? 
do you/have you ever shot a big day at driven birds? 
the additional cost will make it even less achievable for the ordinary person to participate 

 

No because I am happy with 75 - 100 bird days. You are talking about the cost of the tip on these days, does the keepers tip make these days unaffordable for the average person? You can either afford what you want to do or you to do or you can't. Then you have to look at options. A) shoot less birds. B) shoot closer birds. C) home load your own steel beyond CIP.

Standard steel is good for 35 yards. On my admittedly bad syndicate some people think a 20 yard pheasant is out of range. Are you really shooting 40+ yard pheasants on a regular basis and could you still have a good day shooting within that?

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"Lead ammunition alternatives the manufacture and supply and the effect of restrictions on businesses and shooters" A key principle we must not lose sight of is that further restrictions must not be imposed until effective and affordable types of sustainable ammunition are available in sufficient volumes to meet demand."

This should not and must not apply purely to the driven game boys, but all shooters. I trust no one is suggesting that in the event that the availability of steel shot does become reduced, that we lesser financially endowed folk are going to become sporting outcasts. Some comments and not to mention the actions of the odd shooting association seem to reflect that this is could well be the case.

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21 minutes ago, wymberley said:

"Lead ammunition alternatives the manufacture and supply and the effect of restrictions on businesses and shooters" A key principle we must not lose sight of is that further restrictions must not be imposed until effective and affordable types of sustainable ammunition are available in sufficient volumes to meet demand."

This should not and must not apply purely to the driven game boys, but all shooters. I trust no one is suggesting that in the event that the availability of steel shot does become reduced, that we lesser financially endowed folk are going to become sporting outcasts. Some comments and not to mention the actions of the odd shooting association seem to reflect that this is could well be the case.

I sincerely hope this social exclusion scenario doesn’t play out. One of the great things about shooting currently - is that there are various sporting opportunities and costs to suit most budgets. Surely a few boxes of steel cart’s must be reasonably affordable (?). I can’t imagine they will end up being too outrageously priced…..or am I missing something? 
 

In most open market scenarios, supply meets demand and competition maintains a stable price. There are exceptions of course, when cartels illegally hike prices or a product with unique patents takes a strong market share (e,g Apple with its IPhone etc). However, I can’t imagine these factors coming in to play with our steel cartridges. Also, China may not retain its dominance of steel shot manufacturing - if global demand becomes attractive to other companies in different regions. Ramble ends. 
 

 

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4 hours ago, Fellside said:

. Surely a few boxes of steel cart’s must be reasonably affordable (?). I can’t imagine they will end up being too outrageously priced…..or am I missing something? 

The Eley BioWads  I tried were £12.50 a box the same as the equivalent top end Black Golds. And not anywhere near as good. I usually shoot Eley Pigeon Select or HV which were a fraction over half there price per 1000 and are better cartridges. 

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