Centrepin Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Number 5:........Stand by........Stand by........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Very simply, you alter your behaviour not based on geographic region, but rather clinical risk. Note, alter behaviour, not take away freedoms. Correct, the average 82 year old (which is still the average age attributed to Covid deaths) does not walk up Ben Nevis in the middle of winter as they would likely perish. The quite correctly limit their own activities so as not to increase their own risk. Same with Covid (or flu or any other easily transmissible respiratory disease), society as a whole gave up over a year of their freedom to protect the NHS and vulnerable and to give them time to reassess their risk models and alter their behaviour. Never before has this been done where the next generation and childrens lives have been sacrificed to protect a very small number of people as Covid19 is not a killer in and of itself but merely a contributing factor to the deaths of those who are mainly also already severely ill from pre existing conditions or old age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) On 20/10/2021 at 12:07, udderlyoffroad said: Not seen the data from the Scandi countries then @Vince Green? Falling despite no restrictions. . Thats not in the slightest bit true the way you present it. The Scandanavians like the Germans and French are wearing masks, social distancing and avoiding crowds without having to be told to do so because they are very aware of the risks. They are very compliant people. There was a man on the radio yesterday, possibly C4 but I was driving who said to the presenter "Come with me tomorrow on the Paris Metro and I will give you one Euro for every person we see not wearing a mask" Sweden originally was the country that appeared to be getting away with it, but that went badly wrong and they have now turned towards ultra protectionism. They don't appear to have the morons we have who bang on about their right to ignore rules. Edited October 21, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 21, 2021 Report Share Posted October 21, 2021 Covid19 is not a killer in and of itself but merely a contributing factor to the deaths of those who are mainly also already severely ill from pre existing conditions or old age. Tell that to my wife as her best friend died of covid ,she had no other illnesses or health problems.from me listening to a phone call between them and she thought she was starting with a cold within a month the lifesupport machine was turned off . Each day her husband spoke to my wife and the deterioration was unbelievable ,only 50 something and the pair of them had been making plans on future trips out as they had done in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robden Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 I'll just keep my distance and wear a mask.......it's no a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 22, 2021 Report Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 21/10/2021 at 10:00, Stonepark said: Correct, the average 82 year old (which is still the average age attributed to Covid deaths) does not walk up Ben Nevis in the middle of winter as they would likely perish. The quite correctly limit their own activities so as not to increase their own risk. Same with Covid (or flu or any other easily transmissible respiratory disease), society as a whole gave up over a year of their freedom to protect the NHS and vulnerable and to give them time to reassess their risk models and alter their behaviour. Never before has this been done where the next generation and childrens lives have been sacrificed to protect a very small number of people as Covid19 is not a killer in and of itself but merely a contributing factor to the deaths of those who are mainly also already severely ill from pre existing conditions or old age. I have not altered my behaviour at all. That is the way I/we live. We do not have a need to go into pubs and clubs or crowds of people. We have always been polite and given way to others at doors or whatver. I would love to see the 'statistics' because I believe they have been mishandled but whatever I will continue to be a MORON .... what a stupid pathetic statement to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 20/10/2021 at 08:16, vmaxphil said: just live with it and get your annual booster 👍 Annual booster? I thought it was a case of "just get your 2 jabs then you're protected". What's that? Shifting goals again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Going forward I expect we'll have annual boosters like flu jabs each year and covid will become another winter "flu type " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, vmaxphil said: Going forward I expect we'll have annual boosters like flu jabs each year and covid will become another winter "flu type " Agree. We’re just going to have to learn to live with it I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I came back yesterday on a train from the South Coast into London and then on the underground across London to my flat. About 50% of people on the train were wearing masks and virtually nobody on the the underground. Masks are still mandatory on public transport but there is clearly no enforcement. Is it such a big thing to wear a masK? same in supermarkets (where its not enforcible any more) people not wearing masks or distancing when queuing for the checkouts. Whats the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Round here in shops, above 50% wear masks, typically putting them on on entering the shop (many shops have a sign on the door requesting masks are worn). Social distancing when queuing to pay is also pretty good. 16 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Whats the problem? It's as much of a problem as people make of it really. Some just get on and do it because they don't see it as hassle of an issue ........ others think it's the end of the free world as we know it and worse than a totalitarian regime. Personally I do it because it is not a problem to me - and possibly may prevent infection to (or from) me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Haven’t worn a mask anywhere since it stopped being mandatory, except for a trip to the opticians where they had to provide me with one. I’m not too fussed about the whole ‘freedom’ issue, but rather the logic behind the wearing of masks. I’m not convinced they were ever of much benefit really, especially as any old ‘face covering’ was acceptable anyhow! People have been wearing them in China for decades and it didn’t do them much good, and people were even catching the virus in hospital also, where they had more masks than a Zorro convention. Only one person was wearing a face covering ( a snood! ) in a beaters trailer of 12 blokes today. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to how this virus is spread nor who gets it. If mask wearing worked then shouldn’t we be wearing them at home also? There are plenty of kids taking the virus home, but if we’re double ( or treble ) jabbed you don’t even have to isolate or test unless you’ve got symptoms. 🤷♂️ Edited November 5, 2021 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 05/11/2021 at 17:49, Scully said: People have been wearing them in China for decades and it didn’t do them much good... They have been wearing them for a variety of reasons, courtesy if they had a cough/cold, air borne contamination and air pollution, lack of make up, keeping their faces warm etc a beater in the back of the trailer wearing one is just odd unless he had a cough or wanted to keep warm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, henry d said: They have been wearing them for a variety of reasons, courtesy if they had a cough/cold, air borne contamination and air pollution, lack of make up, keeping their faces warm etc a beater in the back of the trailer wearing one is just odd unless he had a cough or wanted to keep warm None of which seems to have had any effect on containment of the virus. The beater was wearing a snood, not a mask. He wasn’t wearing it outside, where it was colder than the inside of the trailer, nor did he have a cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Quote None of which seems to have had any effect on containment of the virus. How do you know that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, ordnance said: How do you know that ? Just a guess I suppose, based on the fact it’s source was China, and from there it spread to the rest of the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Scully said: Just a guess I suppose, based on the fact it’s source was China, and from there it spread to the rest of the planet. I haven't heard anyone saying masks would stop all infections or the virus spreading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, ordnance said: I haven't heard anyone saying masks would stop all infections or the virus spreading. Exactly, so what’s the point? Didn’t our own government advisors state at the outset that masks were of little significance in doing just that? They then had a change of policy ( on the advice of other government advisors? ) and eventually made them compulsory. Now again they’re optional. Some people were catching the virus in hospital, despite staff being clad head to toe in PPE. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Scully said: Exactly, so what’s the point? Didn’t our own government advisors state at the outset that masks were of little significance in doing just that? They then had a change of policy ( on the advice of other government advisors? ) and eventually made them compulsory. Now again they’re optional. Some people were catching the virus in hospital, despite staff being clad head to toe in PPE. 🤷♂️ Hospital spread of Covid-19 mainly patient to patient | CUH 24 Aug 2021 — Most patients who caught Covid-19 while in hospital were infected by other patients, not staff, a Cambridge study finds. Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet - Nature https://www.nature.com › news 9 Sept 2021 — A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 7 hours ago, ordnance said: Hospital spread of Covid-19 mainly patient to patient | CUH 24 Aug 2021 — Most patients who caught Covid-19 while in hospital were infected by other patients, not staff, a Cambridge study finds. Face masks for COVID pass their largest test yet - Nature https://www.nature.com › news 9 Sept 2021 — A rigorous study finds that surgical masks are highly protective, but cloth masks fall short. Well you can’t argue with the science can you? I’m simply making statements based on my own observations. Masks are now claimed to be effective, yet when compulsory people were allowed to wear snoods and ‘face coverings’, and if we are forced to wear them again I reckon the same will apply. 🤷♂️ The virus originated in what must be the biggest mask wearing populace in the world, and spread globally from there, although I’m aware there are billions of them and not all would be masked. As for hospitals, Carlisle hospital had an outbreak which was traced to a member of staff ( I’m assuming a nurse but I could be wrong ) travelling from over the Border on a daily basis. I’m assuming she was wearing a mask at work? Observations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 28 minutes ago, Scully said: Well you can’t argue with the science can you?. 🤷♂️ Isn't science what the biggest companies tell you is science. Those that can afford the research into what they want. What they say must and is always true. Currently sat waiting the required 15 mins after having the Moderna booster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Quote As for hospitals, Carlisle hospital had an outbreak which was traced to a member of staff ( I’m assuming a nurse but I could be wrong ) travelling from over the Border on a daily basis. I’m assuming she was wearing a mask at work? Observations. There are no guarantees masks or no masks, its well known if you want to avoid infections of any type the last place you want to is in a hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, ordnance said: There are no guarantees masks or no masks, its well known if you want to avoid infections of any type the last place you want to is in a hospital. Indeed, and very true. A 63 year old friend of mine went to visit her 94 year old mother in Carlisle hospital, awaiting a minor operation. The mother developed Covid while in there and died. The daughter caught it from her and spent a couple of weeks in IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) On 15/11/2021 at 18:38, Scully said: Indeed, and very true. A 63 year old friend of mine went to visit her 94 year old mother in Carlisle hospital, awaiting a minor operation. The mother developed Covid while in there and died. The daughter caught it from her and spent a couple of weeks in IC. My cousin's husband died from covid which he caught while in hospital. He was in isolation already because he was having chemo so the only person he could have realistically caught it off was a member of staff. It's a shame, his progress on the chemo was going well. That's not to say he wouldn't have died from the cancer eventually but they will never know. To go through all that, the operation, the chemo etc and then get covid in hospital and die is tragic. No doubt some will say he had underlying conditions so he shouldn't be counted as a covid death but I'm sure if he hadn't caught covid he would still be alive, not a well man but alive Edited November 22, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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