ilovemyheckler Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) I have been invited to shoot on a local driven shoot in a couple of weeks. It is mainly pheasant (not high) with one drive of ducks. I have some 31g no6 cartridges which I am hoping will be ok for the pheasants? What do I need for the ducks, obviously s/steel and fibre wad but which ones please? Thanks Edited October 24, 2021 by ilovemyheckler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Red ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Red ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 No - definitely clear ones. Sorry, serious answer, bismuth 5s are fine for average ducks. Also steel 3s if your gun/chokes are suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fellside said: No - definitely clear ones. Sorry, serious answer, bismuth 5s are fine for average ducks. Also steel 3s if your gun/chokes are suitable. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, London Best said: This. Can you get steel with fibre wads ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, marsh man said: Can you get steel with fibre wads ? I don’t think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, marsh man said: Can you get steel with fibre wads ? 8 minutes ago, London Best said: I don’t think so. I believe Bio Ammo are about to launch a shell with their Bio wad and steel payload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Hopefully they will offer one in 2 1/2 inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, London Best said: Hopefully they will offer one in 2 1/2 inch. I am sure if there is enough call for it they wouldn't miss the opportunity. Their website; https://bioammo.es/products/hunting/ Edited October 24, 2021 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 Take one hundred of the cartridges you intend for the pheasant. To take less is to risk running out mid-day and that is unforgivable. I've seen it once...two pegs down from me...and although laughter and banter greeted it the truth is it wasn't well received. You don't actually have to take all one hundred to each peg but do at least have them where you can top up between pegs. Twenty-five to thirty in your pockets on a peg is reasonable enough. For the duck that's a pain in the bottom as, IMHO, as it commits you if fibre to forking out for a box of bismuth even if on the day you get a blank on that duck stand. Shot size of your English #6 is good to go although if expecting woodcock and your chokes are open (as they will be best as such on the day) then maybe 1 ounce of good quality English #7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor91 Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, London Best said: I don’t think so. Gamebore do steel with biowads https://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/game/12g-dark-storm-precision-steel-biowad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, marsh man said: Can you get steel with fibre wads ? Was going to say Gamebore ‘silver steel’ fibre, but JTaylor91 I think has a more up to date suggestion above. I suppose you’ve also got the Eley ecowad equivalent….? I think our OP should be able to turn up with some non lead / non plastic wad cart’s anyway. Good luck and have a great day if your still reading this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 24, 2021 Report Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, marsh man said: Can you get steel with fibre wads ? No, but you can get eco wad, looks like a plas was but dissolves once it gets wet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 To be fair the shoot is and probably has been putting ducks over the guns for years however it is only recently that non toxic and non plastic wads cartridges have become available other than bismuth a quick call to the shoot and they are the best to advise you on cartridge selection just my thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 12 hours ago, marsh man said: Can you get steel with fibre wads ? Yes Gamebore silver steel. But need a high steel proof. Been using them for several years and they are very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, Stimo22 said: Yes Gamebore silver steel. But need a high steel proof. Been using them for several years and they are very good 10 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: No, but you can get eco wad, looks like a plas was but dissolves once it gets wet 12 hours ago, JTaylor91 said: Gamebore do steel with biowads https://gamebore.com/uk/cartridge/game/12g-dark-storm-precision-steel-biowad THANKS for the updates on the wads used in todays steel cartridges , when my supply comes to an end I will invest in a box or two , unless I run out before my cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 IIRC .. wildfowl may still be taken with lead shot in Scotland - on appropriate land (non wetland/ssi/etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliedog Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 Not saying its correct but I have never been asked what cartridges I am shooting the ducks with on a predominantly pheasant/partridge days, I suspect most dont change, probably different on a dedicated duck day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret664 Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 I would use the gambore bismuth 32g 4 for the ducks bit cheaper then the eleys and never had a issue with their performance 👍 also if you're talking standard pheasants sub 40 yards (most pheasants on these shoots are normally shot at 20-35 yards as people can't tell range ) any 28g-30g 6 would be perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Hull, Express and Eley all now do steel in a soluble wad. Not in every dealer yet but they’re on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 25/10/2021 at 21:24, Charliedog said: Not saying its correct but I have never been asked what cartridges I am shooting the ducks with on a predominantly pheasant/partridge days, I suspect most dont change, probably different on a dedicated duck day Yes, I had an email from the Shoot Captain yesterday to the same effect. I managed to get hold of non toxic Eco-Wad shells in both 12 and 20 bore 12 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: Hull, Express and Eley all now do steel in a soluble wad. Not in every dealer yet but they’re on the market. They certainly do, but many outlets are still waiting for deliveries. I bought the last of the 20 bore shells that Whittlesey gun Shop had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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