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1 hour ago, WalkedUp said:

Exactly. People who are saying this woman shouldn’t teach have gone mad. I’d happily let her teach my three boys. 

A long read but the context for me of teachers.... I’ve mentioned my mother was a teacher, she was born one of 13 children on the Bluebell Estate in Huyton. Her father was a huge ex-RMP and docker, her mother died from complications of a historic shrapnel wound sustained during the Blitz.  My 5’3” mother was the first of her family to go to university, in Manchester, and paid her way working as a barmaid in the rough pubs that are now swanky winebars. 

There is a legend her friends tell about her first week as a newly qualified English teacher in Cantrell Farm: late 1970s and introducing herself to her final year class for the first time, Jimmy the ‘cock of the year’ heard the ‘posh’ mid-Lancashire accent she had picked up. He swayed back on his chair, lifted his boots on the desk and lit a fag, grinning at the dainty young lady. My mother never looked at him and carried on speaking to the class whilst walking quietly between the tables towards the back row. As she walked past Jimmy, 6ft and cocky, he looked up at her as without a word, she put the back of her hand through his face knocking him clean off his seat and onto the floor. Ashen faced Jimmy bleated out “you hit me, you hit me”, still standing over him she turned to the rest of the class and not a soul would say they saw her knock him to the floor. She told Jimmy to get on his seat and take better care not to make a habit of falling off it again. From that day she never had an issue with ill-discipline although she did soften towards the end of her career.  

Taking the rose tinted glasses off and putting the werthers original away, you can dress it up however you want, losing your temper with an animal or a child due to your own lack of leadership is a failure of your own making and there's no excuse for it. 

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11 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Taking the rose tinted glasses off and putting the werthers original away, you can dress it up however you want, losing your temper with an animal or a child due to your own lack of leadership is a failure of your own making and there's no excuse for it. 

The Pony Club's already acted. She's been removed from her position as Team Leader for the Cottesmore branch, which is a start. 

For those not aware, The Pony Club carries huge influence, particularly in the grassroots elements of riding and equestrianism. Most people riding would have had some connection to The Pony Club at some stage in their lives and that goes for elite/international competitors. One of its three fundamental objectives is 'to give instruction in riding and horsemastership and to educate Members to look after and to take proper care of their animal'  - an objective she's failed at spectacularly. 

She's given responsible drag hunters terrible press, energised the antis and risked people calling into question the integrity of a critical grassroots organisation for horse riding and horse welfare. From the horse and riding stance, she deserves everything that's coming.

That said, no one should be subjected to death threats and as we all know, sabs can be vile. Also, it shouldn't have a bearing on her role as a primary school teacher. The school suspending her seems a bit unfair. I hope they just remind her of her responsibilities and leave it at that. 

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I've watched a top field trialer and retired field trial judge beating and whipping his dogs, did anyone intervene? Nope. Was I absolutely disgusted and voices my opinion? yes absolutely, but I didn't risk getting a punch in the face by confronting him there and then.

The thing about the "oh I would intervene/beat the kack out of them" crowd is, they would normally only intervene if the offender was physically smaller than them or of the opposite gender. Bundling in against someone who has already resorted to violence with an animal is a very good way of getting landed on your hole with slackened teeth.

The video footage is enough to damn this lady. whether the punishment she will get is entirely warranted or not, the death threats certainly are not and hopefully the people issuing them get brought before the courts.

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I know nowt about horses but had a workshop in a stable yard for some years the owner was a horse breaker some of the other trainers called him a nags man .

But if someone had  a problem horse and had tried other trainers this bloke would be the last resort. Before having the horse destroyed he won more battles than he lost and yes he was no horse whisperer .Context how did this pony get so worked up ?   they must have  boxed it to come out to the meet. It looks bad but is it really a hanging offence. 

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1 hour ago, chrisjpainter said:

The Pony Club's already acted. She's been removed from her position as Team Leader for the Cottesmore branch, which is a start. 

For those not aware, The Pony Club carries huge influence, particularly in the grassroots elements of riding and equestrianism. Most people riding would have had some connection to The Pony Club at some stage in their lives and that goes for elite/international competitors. One of its three fundamental objectives is 'to give instruction in riding and horsemastership and to educate Members to look after and to take proper care of their animal'  - an objective she's failed at spectacularly. 

She's given responsible drag hunters terrible press, energised the antis and risked people calling into question the integrity of a critical grassroots organisation for horse riding and horse welfare. From the horse and riding stance, she deserves everything that's coming.

That said, no one should be subjected to death threats and as we all know, sabs can be vile. Also, it shouldn't have a bearing on her role as a primary school teacher. The school suspending her seems a bit unfair. I hope they just remind her of her responsibilities and leave it at that. 

Very good post and I absolutely agree with your last paragraph, their behaviour is worse than hers all day. 

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13 minutes ago, scutt said:

I know nowt about horses but had a workshop in a stable yard for some years the owner was a horse breaker some of the other trainers called him a nags man .

But if someone had  a problem horse and had tried other trainers this bloke would be the last resort. Before having the horse destroyed he won more battles than he lost and yes he was no horse whisperer .Context how did this pony get so worked up ?   they must have  boxed it to come out to the meet. It looks bad but is it really a hanging offence. 

Well that's part of the problem, isn't it? If it boxed to come out, then her behaviour isn't necessary - unless she's doing this every time in which case she shouldn't be handling horses, let alone being a Team Leader with The Pony Club! 

If this is a pony that has regularly struggled with boxing, then they should get specific, specialist help - or move the pony on to a home where that's not a big issue. But my OH's yet to meet a horse she hasn't been able to get into a box, it just takes time and training with both rider and horse. Give the horse the help it needs before throwing it into the chaos that is a meet with sabs around. Beating it into submission is an idiot's solution.

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54 minutes ago, Rob85 said:

I've watched a top field trialer and retired field trial judge beating and whipping his dogs, did anyone intervene? Nope. Was I absolutely disgusted and voices my opinion? yes absolutely, but I didn't risk getting a punch in the face by confronting him there and then.

The thing about the "oh I would intervene/beat the kack out of them" crowd is, they would normally only intervene if the offender was physically smaller than them or of the opposite gender. Bundling in against someone who has already resorted to violence with an animal is a very good way of getting landed on your hole with slackened teeth.

The video footage is enough to damn this lady. whether the punishment she will get is entirely warranted or not, the death threats certainly are not and hopefully the people issuing them get brought before the courts.

No criticism to anyone else, but I absolutely would intervene if necessary.

one if someone wanted to add to their criminal endeavours by attempting to assault me I can handle myself as a heavyweight boxer, training in that sport for 26 years and If I did meet someone bigger and better than me, I'd intervene anyway as it's the right thing to do. 

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So the pony club have acted, as has her school, both in attempts to distance themselves from someone whom as far as we may know, could just be having an ‘off day’. Or she could be a complete cow. Who knows? Certainly no one on here. 
I sometimes wonder for how much longer people are going to be allowed to be human anymore, with all the frailties and imperfections that entails. 
Our school would have been devoid of teachers if each one had been suspended due to reactive or impulsive acts of aggression or mild violence towards the pupils. 🙂

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I owned and rode horses and ponies for 30 years, through a financial interest in a Riding School and Livery,  I have never seen a rider (or anyone) kick a horse or slap its head.
As has been said, quiet and firm is how you handle horses.
Anyone who loses control when handling any animals should not be allowed to have them.

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Some of the comments on this topic beggar belief. The positive comments from people who actually know about horses I agree with. In this case the woman deserves all that's heading her way,,,, except for the personal threats etc.

My experience with horses is quite limited. Never ridden one, but have handled my GF's horse. Positive and firm I was told,,,, and yes, any weakness on my part showed in her non-actions 😆

I have witnessed a stable owner doing similar to this woman. I was holed up in a net and vegetation hide up against some bushes after some pigeons. I heard two horses with riders approaching a very shallow (ankle height) stream 25yds behind and to the right of me. They were unaware of my presence. The stable owner's horse wouldn't enter the stream. The student's horse did. The stable owner got off her ride and tried to drag it into the stream, shouting at it and hitting it around the head and neck with her riding crop !!! I leapt out of my cover shouting at her..... No, I didn't !!! I kept as still as possible, in fear of making matters far worse. The abuse kept on for a few minutes, all the time the student rider had fear and terror in her eyes, as did her ride !!! The stable owner gave up abusing the horse, remounted and they both rode back to the stable, the horse from that point appeared to relax.

To say I was fuming was an understatement. I informed the farmer who's land I was on and left it at that,,,, for the locals to deal with the situation. Never heard it mentioned again, so don't know what or if any action was taken.

I have also witnessed my GF's horse kick out at a 'boyfriend' of a friend of GF. Now that was funny !!! He never actually did anything, but the horse know he was a wrong'un,,,, something which I sussed the second I met him !

Sorry for the long reply 😃 phew !!!

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7 hours ago, Rob85 said:

 they would normally only intervene if the offender was physically smaller than them or of the opposite gender. Bundling in against someone who has already resorted to violence with an animal is a very good way of getting landed on your hole with slackened 

Seriously? Is that how you really think?

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Size and odds are nothing.

Utrinque Paratus 

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As a life long horse owner currently have 5 i will say they are far from dumb animals.they are loyal loving creatures that respond better to kindness than cruelty. I have owned some that if you walked them around a course of jumps in an arena in order just once they would retrace those steps when in competition.in fact i prefer the company of horses to a lot of humans.this woman needs to be pulled up over her actions but being suspended from work is a step to far.

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13 hours ago, bostonmick said:

this woman needs to be pulled up over her actions but being suspended from work is a step to far.

The clip showed a woman losing her temper and taking it out on a defenceless animal.

People who can't control themselves and lash out like that are just as likely to do it to humans...And she's a primary school teacher!

Aside from that, what kind of example is she setting for the children, that it's OK to kick and slap?

She shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children or animals.

 

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It’s odd on here how people believe footage from an anti organisation and don’t wonder what preceded it or was edited out.  You have a junior school teacher and a female who is into her horses loosing the plot with one.  Did it refuse to box, had it just bitten her what had happened to get this reaction??? I know having been bitten by a couple of these that it is one of the more painful things that can happen to you.   It looks bad on film but what caused it should be the main question like most I’ve seen worse done by good dog trainers on shooting fields just most haven’t been filmed when it’s happened

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46 minutes ago, al4x said:

It’s odd on here how people believe footage from an anti organisation and don’t wonder what preceded it or was edited out.  You have a junior school teacher and a female who is into her horses loosing the plot with one.  Did it refuse to box, had it just bitten her what had happened to get this reaction??? I know having been bitten by a couple of these that it is one of the more painful things that can happen to you.   It looks bad on film but what caused it should be the main question like most I’ve seen worse done by good dog trainers on shooting fields just most haven’t been filmed when it’s happened

What caused it should be the main concern ? oh come on man wake up ! We are talking about a big dumb animal that is being mistreated full stop.

If it had bitten her it had a good reason if it wouldn't load it was frightened or confused ,so  on camera she thought the answer to all this was to kick and slap it .If happy to do this in public what do you think she considers appropriate in private ,

so what justification is there ?

 

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People need to stop trying to justify her actions because it was a hunt and it was filmed by "Antis".

This has nothing to do with field sports.

She behaved appallingly.

1 hour ago, al4x said:

I’ve seen worse done by good dog trainers on shooting fields just most haven’t been filmed when it’s happened

"Good" dog trainers, really? It's ok to kick and slap a dog now is it, because it's on a shoot?

What about if you saw some teens doing it to a dog in the town, any different?

Watch the clip again, that wasn't any kind of reprimand, she lost her temper and took it out on the horse.

 

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6 hours ago, al4x said:

It’s odd on here how people believe footage from an anti organisation and don’t wonder what preceded it or was edited out.  You have a junior school teacher and a female who is into her horses loosing the plot with one.  Did it refuse to box, had it just bitten her what had happened to get this reaction??? I know having been bitten by a couple of these that it is one of the more painful things that can happen to you.   It looks bad on film but what caused it should be the main question like most I’ve seen worse done by good dog trainers on shooting fields just most haven’t been filmed when it’s happened

If so called dog trainers are resorting to that kind of behaviour, trust me they're far from good. 

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