ratchers Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Scully said: I could understand the vaccine being compulsory for getting a job if it prevented transmission, but it doesn’t, and people being forced out of work because they won’t comply is, I believe, a massive massive infringement of their rights, and I genuinely hope some civil liberties lawyer takes up the challenge. This is my interpretation, even if you have been jabbed, it does not stop you getting it or transmitting it. To force a populace getting jabbed is not right, fair enough if jabbed you may not suffer covid as bad and save a hospital visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ratchers said: This is my interpretation, even if you have been jabbed, it does not stop you getting it or transmitting it. This is perfectly correct, however, being double jabbed reduces your chance of catching it to a third (minimum) and your chance of then passing it on if you are infected likewise. Personally I would prefer those I come into contact with to be, at worst, 90 percent less likely to infect me. Edited November 23, 2021 by Yellow Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 Perhaps they could have an official vax opt out, then get refused medical treatment if they catch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: This is perfectly correct, however, being double jabbed reduces your chance of catching it to a third (minimum) and your chance of then passing it on if you are infected likewise. Does it? I’m aware it reduces the chances of hospitalisation, but I know loads of people whom have caught it, and passed it on, despite being double jabbed, and one who was treble jabbed. 28 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Perhaps they could have an official vax opt out, then get refused medical treatment if they catch it. Isn’t that just a bit silly? It’s not like it’s going to happen is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 i have watched and listened arguments there is no cure to suit everyone i am double vaxed shielding past government advise was doing ok got it rough as hell it all changed on the third night woke up many times couldnt breath gasping for air the next day slightly better it could have gone the other way got to wait another week for booster its booked i have a desire to live inc vax i struggled without vax given health issues the grim reaper would have taken me i couldn't fight back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Scully said: Does it? I’m aware it reduces the chances of hospitalisation, but I know loads of people whom have caught it, and passed it on, despite being double jabbed, and one who was treble jabbed. Isn’t that just a bit silly? It’s not like it’s going to happen is it? Yes - I was being a bit silly about the silly issue lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 On 15/11/2021 at 06:36, Robden said: How will they know if you've been jabbed or not? Carry a covid passport? So what do the police say to you? Hold out their hand and say "Papers!" Now where have we heard that before??????? Get stopped by the police now they want to see your drivers licence. So whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 18 hours ago, ordnance said: What like getting a job, or a firearms certificate. Nothing like that, ridiculous whataboutery of the first water. If you're comfortable with concept of forced medical procedures, whether that be through relentless coercion, Untermenschen-ing or actual physical force, then there is nothing further to discuss. I want no truck with you, to the block list. This isn't just a matter of agreeing to disagree, you are openly endorsing vile treatment of people for the sake of...what exactly? Actually, don't bother to answer that. I don't care your motives. 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Get stopped by the police now they want to see your drivers licence. So whats the difference? That's surely not a serious question - There are holes in that analogy you could drive the coach and horses through. The pub, not the equine-powered transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Quote I want no truck with you, to the block list. This isn't just a matter of agreeing to disagree, you are openly endorsing vile treatment of people for the sake of...what exactly? Actually, don't bother to answer that. I don't care your motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Saltings said: i have watched and listened arguments there is no cure to suit everyone i am double vaxed shielding past government advise was doing ok got it rough as hell it all changed on the third night woke up many times couldnt breath gasping for air the next day slightly better it could have gone the other way got to wait another week for booster its booked i have a desire to live inc vax i struggled without vax given health issues the grim reaper would have taken me i couldn't fight back Pretty much my storey too. I think one way or another we are all going to get it eventually, but if you have had the jabs your chances of survival are much greater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Ok I can understand both sides of this discussion. But many of the people demanding their human rights etc may change their mind if they want to travel outside their own country. For instance I wonder how many of the fit and young who think they are immortal and dont need to be vaccinated will change their mind when they know they wont to be able to party in marbella, ibiza etc. Without proof of double vaccination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 hours ago, TRINITY said: Ok I can understand both sides of this discussion. But many of the people demanding their human rights etc may change their mind if they want to travel outside their own country. For instance I wonder how many of the fit and young who think they are immortal and dont need to be vaccinated will change their mind when they know they wont to be able to party in marbella, ibiza etc. Without proof of double vaccination i was invincible until 2010 never seen a doctor after appendicitis operation went wrong at the age of ten septicaemia if puberty had hit i would have died according to the professor surgeon 2010 hodgkins limphoma 7 doses out of 8 chemo stage 4 something it kicked the **** out of me a brick out house strong as an oxx since then a mouse sneezes at a thousand yards ive got it double jabbed got covid rough for a couple of days booster booked ive dodged the grim reaper twice i may not be so lucky next time heel have a fight i have things to do maybe anti vaxers is natures way just about everyone i know is jabbed and the few now wish they did a neighbour early 40s crook for days in hospital out of it for 10 days remembers nothing other than going in the ambulance still not right cant book his jabs until a month after social media has a lot to answer for while antis are double jabbed spout bile arguments for and against toss a penny or use common sense found to be lacking of late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 It seems the EU are considering possibly following Austria (and maybe soon Germany) in making vaccines compulsory https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10262737/Europe-Covid-Time-think-mandatory-vaccines-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-says.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 4 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: It seems the EU are considering possibly following Austria (and maybe soon Germany) in making vaccines compulsory https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10262737/Europe-Covid-Time-think-mandatory-vaccines-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-says.html Good job too, so should we in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhastings Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Good job too, so should we in my opinion Lining the country up and jabbing needles in them regardless of the reasons is in its self criminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 17 hours ago, Vince Green said: Good job too, so should we in my opinion Are you volunteering to be in the SS (that would be SpritzStaffel - injection group). I'm assuming you're not seriously suggesting we hold people down and force people to be injected....or are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Are you volunteering to be in the SS (that would be SpritzStaffel - injection group). I'm assuming you're not seriously suggesting we hold people down and force people to be injected....or are you? No need. You just ban them from shops and other public areas until they get vaccinated. They’ll soon change their tune. (*heavy dose of satire / sarcasm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lord v said: No need. You just ban them from shops and other public areas until they get vaccinated. They’ll soon change their tune. (*heavy dose of satire / sarcasm) But how would shop owners know? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, Scully said: But how would shop owners know? 😉 Papers please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Lord v said: Papers please! Jawohl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Scully said: Jawohl! More like Da!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, Scully said: But how would shop owners know? Indeed, it's all rather impractical so the inescapable, illogical conclusion of this madness is forced vaccinations. Coercion by economic, social and financial means takes time and resources too. I guess whoever makes the "gurneys" for the lethal injection chambers for the US Prison system is going to have a very profitable 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 Germany may make things mandatory by February 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Scully said: But how would shop owners know? 😉 I know, make them wear a star on their backs................."Hmmm! Now where have heard that before?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 7, 2021 Report Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) im for jabs through choice only i made my choice double jab and booster others have their arguments its a free world its their choice i wouldn't impose my views im not a vegetarian i would like them get a jab if they dont stay safe Edited December 7, 2021 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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