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On 05/12/2021 at 12:55, wymberley said:

You never know, those which hold up and produce good open patterns

If you have to move down a couple of 'shot sizes' to retain the striking energy (what I have read, and not checked or confirmed) - i.e. No 6 lead needs No 4 steel ....... you are likely to want a somewhat tighter pattern.

Separate question; can you pattern steel onto the traditional whitewashed steel plate?  Does it leave enough mark to be 'usable'?

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41 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

If you have to move down a couple of 'shot sizes' to retain the striking energy (what I have read, and not checked or confirmed) - i.e. No 6 lead needs No 4 steel ....... you are likely to want a somewhat tighter pattern.

Separate question; can you pattern steel onto the traditional whitewashed steel plate?  Does it leave enough mark to be 'usable'?

Absolutely NOT.

 

Only do it on paper or card, the returning shot will hurt you if not damage you.

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1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Only do it on paper or card, the returning shot will hurt you if not damage you.

Even at 40 yards?  (which is the distance I have used in the past).  I have only ever used paper myself, but have attended grounds that have steel plates and a tub of whitewash.

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Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

John, do NOT risk it, please.

I won't. 

As I say, I have only ever used paper when patterning cartridges myself myself, but have often seen a steel plate set up and have used one under the direction of a fitter (lead cartridges before steel was even around) to assess mean point of impact when starting the fitting process.  My guess and it is only that would be that 'reflected' pellets would (at 40 yards from the plate) have very low energy.  Much would depend on the rigidity of the plate as it will only reflect with low energy loss IF the plate itself doesn't move at all (thus absorbing some of the energy)

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On 28/11/2021 at 19:38, Scully said:

I have no idea to be honest, but I think it would be common knowledge by now if it were a common issue. 
There are examples of old guns on GT which have been steel shot proofed.

As far as I’m aware the actual method of the integrity of shotgun barrel manufacturing hasn’t changed since barrels were first proofed for nitro, yet those same barrels are passing steel shot proofing.

Are barrels proofed for steel shot, made any differently than those proofed for nitro, apart from being proofed at a higher pressure? If not, then it stands to reason that a nitro proofed barrel is capable of handling steel. Isn’t that logical? 
 

When I was making barrels in 80's for steel we just left a few extra thou. around the chokes are on wall thickness... not a lot more. The "tubes" were the same for steel or lead. And I totally agree that barrel making methods and steel no different whatsoever from the first nitro proofing to today. 

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34 minutes ago, Fil said:

When I was making barrels in 80's for steel we just left a few extra thou. around the chokes are on wall thickness... not a lot more. The "tubes" were the same for steel or lead. And I totally agree that barrel making methods and steel no different whatsoever from the first nitro proofing to today. 

Thanks for that. 

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2 hours ago, Fil said:

When I was making barrels in 80's for steel we just left a few extra thou. around the chokes are on wall thickness... not a lot more. The "tubes" were the same for steel or lead. And I totally agree that barrel making methods and steel no different whatsoever from the first nitro proofing to today. 

Warning! Common sense alert!

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