Rewulf Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Its Trump they are really after not Andrew. If she gets offered a deal (and she probably will) it will be to nail Trump Am I missing something, what has trump got to do with it? If there was any dirt on trump regarding epstein, I'm sure we'd have heard it by now, we've heard every other allegation against him ad nauseum, and still nothing sticks. 18 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Surely if that were the case she would have been offered a deal before the trial? She failed to defend herself and was found guilty, she will die in prison. She had to be found guilty, no matter what she's told them, or promised not to tell about them. Anything but that, would make it look like she had some powerful dirt they didn't want airing. She'll do time, but they will find a way to make it short... One way or another.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Surely if that were the case she would have been offered a deal before the trial? She failed to defend herself and was found guilty, she will die in prison. Google Gislaine Maxwell and Donald Trump see what they are saying in America. He is the big fish they are really after. Now they have her where they want her it in her interest to spill the beans. She wouldn't before and no i don't think she will die in prison, not for one moment do I believe that she will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Okay, only time will tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Google Gislaine Maxwell and Donald Trump see what they are saying in America. He is the big fish they are really after. Now they have her where they want her it in her interest to spill the beans. She wouldn't before Mud slinging, a popular pastime for the lefties, here and over the pond. The links between trump and epstein/maxwell are extremely tenuous, they 'knew' each other, its hardly the same kind of 'knowing' in the biblical sense that Andy is suspected of! As much as American media would like you to think Trump is a spent force, the very fact that they keep firing the odd suppressive volley in his direction, shows they still see him as a threat. And given the fact, the 'peoples choice' is an senile, ineffective idiot, who's driving the west towards WW3, Trump is a very valid choice for next president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: she will die in prison. Best news I've heard in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, TRINITY said: But just one more time. Is he accused of a crime or is it a civil matter. Further to that what is the allegation . Is it rape ? , facts please, not your interpretation. "Ms Giuffre filed a civil case in New York in August 2021 under the state's Child Victims Act, which allows survivors of childhood sexual abuse to pursue a case which otherwise would have been barred because too much time had passed. The case accuses Prince Andrew of sexual assault and battery on Ms Giuffre when she was 17." Civil case, I believe. HTH Maxwell will not spill the beans. Edited December 31, 2021 by Mickeydredd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Gordon R Members From:Just outside sunny Bolton Posted July 6, 2020 Quote Perhaps I know more than your google search revealed on a gossip site. 😉 If you did actually know more about the Maxwells, you wouldn't be saying she will keep quiet. It isn't rocket science. Feel free to admit your error when she starts blabbing. Oh, its all getting very exciting!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother says she won’t ‘flip’ and name names to receive less jail time (msn.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Mickeydredd said: Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother says she won’t ‘flip’ and name names to receive less jail time (msn.com) Yes he is a great judge of character, he feels she is innocent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Innocent until proven guilty.....oh hang on......😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes he is a great judge of character, he feels she is innocent! I think he claimed his late father was innocent (of raiding his employees pension funds) as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Mickeydredd said: Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother says she won’t ‘flip’ and name names to receive less jail time (msn.com) Oh yes she will, unless she is too afraid to. Does anybody actually believe that Epstein committed suicide in prison? Donald Trump Jr jokes that Ghislaine Maxwell could die ‘next week or so’ despite father’s multiple trips on Epstein plane | The Independent It would be very nieve to believe that all the money spent and effort put into this case was to nail the girlfriend of a dead paedo over historical sex abuse. Most of which either happened out of the US or in States where the cases are too old to be heard . o Edited December 31, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 Cant beat a humorous t-shirt 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Vince Green said: Its Trump they are really after not Andrew. If she gets offered a deal (and she probably will) it will be to nail Trump This. 100% IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: This. 100% IMHO. If true, nail him for what, as far as I know there has been no suggestion of any wrong doing by trump and if have thought it'd be plastered everywhere if there'd been the slightest hint of anything, he's not exactly liked by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) They have to keep their case really close to their chest until they are ready to go after Trump Epstein was a Paedo - fact Trump was a regular visitor - fact Epstein gets arrested when Trump is President and dies in highly suspicious circumstances - fact Gislaine Maxwell gets arrested, wont make a statement and wont appear in court in her own defence so she cannot be cross examined - why??? I suggest because she is more afraid of ending up like Epstein than going to jail Gislaine Maxwell's brother issues a statement saying she wont give evidence or name names. -Why? Who is he afraid of? Trumps son jokes on social media that Gislaine Maxwell is going to die - why? Whats it to him? If they can nail Trump it would be the biggest scalp since Al Capone. But they have to be 100% ready before they can move. Trump's fortune is dirty money. His father laundered huge amounts of money from the mob into real estate in New York and no doubt Donald still has the connections. He is probably the most corrupt president ever although Kennedy (for all his revised martyr status) came from a similar organised crime background and thats possibly why he was assasinated? Edited December 31, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, Vince Green said: He is probably the most corrupt president ever although Kennedy (for all his revised martyr status) came from a similar organised crime background and thats possibly why he was assasinated? One theory is just that. That organised crime feared the spotlight being shone on them by John Kennedy's Attorney General one Robert Kennedy (his brother in fact) and that they decided that the easiest way to stop Robert Kennedy was to kill John Kennedy so that LBJ became President and with him a different Attorney General would then result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 lots of opinions............but the truth will out.........wonder how it will end up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, ditchman said: lots of opinions............but the truth will out.........wonder how it will end up ? This. I don't think any of us can be sure of anything other than epstein was a pedophile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 she’s far to calm any criminal will tell you faced with a long stretch you will do whatever it takes to avoid so if she’s not already made a deal on the quite she will make one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 30/12/2021 at 16:53, TRINITY said: Regarding Andrew, that girl was about 17 was she not. Girls of that age arnt daft, I can't accept that she was not a willing participant. If it had happened in UK she would have been a consenting adult. If Randy Andy had rogered a 15 year old, that's totally different. It did happen in the U.K., to hundreds of young British girls around Rochdale, Rotherham, etc. Many of the girls were 16,17 (and many younger). They were vulnerable girls who were groomed by older men who knew exactly what they were doing. Exactly as in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 In the UK, little if anything is done about this. We ought to applaud the USA for not sweeping it under the carpet, although they appear to have swept many allegations under many carpets, leading up to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 With all these ‘survivors’, who died? and if no one died, how can they be survivors? are these young women who provided the evidence now going to prosecuted themselves for prostitution? After all, none of them were forced into it and all no doubt made a pile of money from their encounters with Epstein. whole thing is a travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Strictly speaking Epstein was not a peodophile as that involves sexual abuse of prepubescent children. Hebephilia (sexual preference for individuals who typically are between ages 11 and 14) Ephebophilia (sexual preference for late-stage typically ages 15 and 16. Nobody should be forced into a sexual act against their will whatever their age and no child should be used in this way. Disgusting practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 I had no idea it was split down to such a fine degree. He was an awful individual and abused his position in life apparently with her help. He took a way out or was terminated. She will pay for her actions and his. I hope Andrew gets to face the music too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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