scolopax Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh I accept he was a successful Prime Minister, are you blind to his appalling record on the WMDs? The WMD’s are not an issue to me. But it was foolish to believe anything told to the west by ‘sources’ in Iraq though. The British of all people should know how much to trust the honesty people from certain regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, scolopax said: The WMD’s are not an issue to me. But it was foolish to believe anything told to the west by ‘sources’ in Iraq though. The British of all people should know how much to trust the honesty people from certain regions. Its the knock on effects of many of his policy's. British soldiers deaths those killed in terrorist attacks due to isis and the like forming after Blair destabilised Iraq and Syria. Uncontrollable migration. I can't think of anything he did that was good, just an endless list of self serving policys that damaged our country and its people. If that impresse you, fair enough, but I won't call that success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, scolopax said: He was a successful PM, won three elections. Not sure that qualifies him as successful except in his own eyes of course. From the mid nineties the tories were sufficiently dysfunctional as to make them unelectable. Much like Labour for the last 12-13 years. Blair didn't "win" three elections, the tories "lost" them. The smartest thing Blair ever did was to pick precisely the right time to step down so that Golden Brown had to carry the blame for losing the next election. What I most dislike about Blair's tenure is that he - or more probably his puppet masters - realised that government can create statutory laws for more than just making the country safer and more secure. What they started and what is still happening is using the law-making process to control people's behaviour by progressively removing our long cherished freedoms and at the same time handing ever greater powers to Brussels. Never mind party politics, I so miss the personal freedoms that we used to have in this country and that I knew throughout my childhood and formative years. Blair & Co with their "New Labour" pretext weren't new at all, it was just window dressing. Behind the façade it was Old Labour with the all the traditional socialist's fear and dread of the people having too much freedom - so, with the willing help of the EU, they set about removing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Westward said: Not sure that qualifies him as successful except in his own eyes of course. From the mid nineties the tories were sufficiently dysfunctional as to make them unelectable. Much like Labour for the last 12-13 years. Blair didn't "win" three elections, the tories "lost" them. The smartest thing Blair ever did was to pick precisely the right time to step down so that Golden Brown had to carry the blame for losing the next election. What I most dislike about Blair's tenure is that he - or more probably his puppet masters - realised that government can create statutory laws for more than just making the country safer and more secure. What they started and what is still happening is using the law-making process to control people's behaviour by progressively removing our long cherished freedoms and at the same time handing ever greater powers to Brussels. Never mind party politics, I so miss the personal freedoms that we used to have in this country and that I knew throughout my childhood and formative years. Blair & Co with their "New Labour" pretext weren't new at all, it was just window dressing. Behind the façade it was Old Labour with the all the traditional socialist's fear and dread of the people having too much freedom - so, with the willing help of the EU, they set about removing it. What a splendid post, sums it up nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Westward said: Not sure that qualifies him as successful except in his own eyes of course. From the mid nineties the tories were sufficiently dysfunctional as to make them unelectable. Much like Labour for the last 12-13 years. Blair didn't "win" three elections, the tories "lost" them. The smartest thing Blair ever did was to pick precisely the right time to step down so that Golden Brown had to carry the blame for losing the next election. What I most dislike about Blair's tenure is that he - or more probably his puppet masters - realised that government can create statutory laws for more than just making the country safer and more secure. What they started and what is still happening is using the law-making process to control people's behaviour by progressively removing our long cherished freedoms and at the same time handing ever greater powers to Brussels. Never mind party politics, I so miss the personal freedoms that we used to have in this country and that I knew throughout my childhood and formative years. Blair & Co with their "New Labour" pretext weren't new at all, it was just window dressing. Behind the façade it was Old Labour with the all the traditional socialist's fear and dread of the people having too much freedom - so, with the willing help of the EU, they set about removing it. Yes very well explained that. I'm sure It puts into words where alot of us feel something was and still is wrong but couldn't quite put our finger on. What you've explained is still happening today for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 02/01/2022 at 00:17, Stonepark said: She controls who is proposed and she put him forward...... I owe you an apology. It appears you were correct in the fact she bestowed him his knighthood. The Queen really has gone down in my opinion, I can't fathom what she was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I owe you an apology. It appears you were correct in the fact she bestowed him his knighthood. The Queen really has gone down in my opinion, I can't fathom what she was thinking. No worries, none needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Stonepark said: No worries, none needed Thanks 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 nearly 800,000 have signed the petition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 That's got to be one of the highest numbers for a petition ever, outside maybe the Brexit ones of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 but i bet he still gets it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 9 hours ago, mossy835 said: but i bet he still gets it, Unfortunately I feel it is s done deal. Rewarding a former Prime Minister for sending Service men and women to their deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Unfortunately I feel it is s done deal. Rewarding a former Prime Minister for sending Service men and women to their deaths. It was ever thus, the spineless always sit in the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Hello, did I see a report on this, over 1 million votes to get his knighthood rescinded ?? Ah it's been posted 🤔🙄 , I wonder what he thinks about this ?? Edited January 9, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, did I see a report on this, over 1 million votes to get his knighthood rescinded ?? Ah it's been posted 🤔🙄 , I wonder what he thinks about this ?? Being a Teflon politico, he possibly doesn't give a flying flip? Just keeps oiling his way around the globes honey pots, nose down to sniff out another full trough to plunder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, old man said: Being a Teflon politico, he possibly doesn't give a flying flip? Just keeps oiling his way around the globes honey pots, nose down to sniff out another full trough to plunder? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 On 02/01/2022 at 12:45, Scully said: I think I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt; she’s a figurehead with no real power or influence of any significance really. I rather think that if she had ever given her formal disapproval we would have heard about it. 🙂 Exactly. There are grey suited ghosts floating about in London Cicvil Service who advise and no doubt this has been the case here. I would not doubt if money or favours had not changed hands....it is a very dirty business. A Knight originally was a soldier of the King/Queen in the days when the King fought alongside his warriors in the field and would choose a specific warrior who had fought that day just that little bit harder than the others and he would be Knighted in the field of conflict or just after, hence the sword on the shoulder. If you look at the willy nilliy Knighthoods are handed out to day then do you not believe the whole idea of a Knighthood has been reduced to the gutter. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: Exactly. There are grey suited ghosts floating about in London Cicvil Service who advise and no doubt this has been the case here. I would not doubt if money or favours had not changed hands....it is a very dirty business. A Knight originally was a soldier of the King/Queen in the days when the King fought alongside his warriors in the field and would choose a specific warrior who had fought that day just that little bit harder than the others and he would be Knighted in the field of conflict or just after, hence the sword on the shoulder. If you look at the willy nilliy Knighthoods are handed out to day then do you not believe the whole idea of a Knighthood has been reduced to the gutter. I do. Agreed Sir, I always wonder now, dispensed like confetti seemingly, particularly in political circles where mere existence is deemed worthy of honour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) This particular honour is personally chosen by the Queen, he is getting the top one. Knights of the Garter are chosen personally by the Sovereign to honour those who have held public office, who have contributed in a particular way to national life or who have served the Sovereign personally. I can only assume Phil the Greek had been blocking her doing it previously. Edited January 9, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: This particular honour is personally chosen by the Queen, he is getting the top one. Knights of the Garter are chosen personally by the Sovereign to honour those who have held public office, who have contributed in a particular way to national life or who have served the Sovereign personally. I can only assume Phil the Greek had been blocking her doing it previously. I think it shows the contempt some of the establishment holds for the general public. I don't think there could be a less deserving, more self serving individual. Its basically two fingers to the little man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Yes it very much shows the Queen is appallingly out of touch or that she just doesn't care what people think. Either way it's not a good look for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Yes it very much shows the Queen is appallingly out of touch or that she just doesn't care what people think. Either way it's not a good look for her. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 damned if she does damned if she dosnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) She wouldn't be damned not to and hasn't been for the last 15 years. She is showing as much contempt for the public as Johnson does daily. Edited January 9, 2022 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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