Covid - it’s all over.

[Scully]

36 minutes ago, ordnance said:

How would what i do regarding Covid interfere in other peoples lives. 

I have absolutely no idea! Why would I?
My comment was based on the fact you give the impression you are very much against the relaxing and or cessation of restrictions.
In my experience such people would be quite happy for us all to continue with restrictions indefinitely, for the alleged benefit of a minority. 

[ordnance]

20 minutes ago, Scully said:

I have absolutely no idea! Why would I?
My comment was based on the fact you give the impression you are very much against the relaxing and or cessation of restrictions.
In my experience such people would be quite happy for us all to continue with restrictions indefinitely, for the alleged benefit of a minority. 

We must have different experiences I don't know anyone that doesn't want restrictions lifted, I questioned the timing and Boris's motives. I do understand why people at high risk would have issues with some of the restrictions that are being lifted at this time. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by ordnance

[mel b3]

41 minutes ago, ordnance said:

What do you mean by fears, most people don't want to get ill with anything is that fear or common sense.  I am not upset as i said it will make no difference to me one way or another, the restrictions that were in place didn't effect me. But its not just about me its also about millions in the UK that are at high risk, lifting the restriction to isolate if positive for example going to work etc spreading it around i would question. I think for the people that Covid could well kill, it would be perfectly understandable to be fearful of catching Covid. 

By fear , I mean the fear that people have that they might get ill  or die from covid . For some people , that fear is justified,  as they may well get seriously ill or die , but for others , the fear isn't justified,  as covid will be nothing more than a mild cold , but , their fear is just as real to them.

For most of us , the threat is negligible now . It would be better for all concerned , to get the country up and running again , and concentrate any assistance,  on those that need it.

[ordnance]

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For most of us , the threat is negligible now . It would be better for all concerned , to get the country up and running again , and concentrate any assistance,  on those that need it.

From what i can see the country is up and running, I don't see the restrictions that are in place stopping that. Better treatments are coming through and will continue get better antivirals etc, so for me trying to keep infections low is sensible for now. The government's policy now seems to be let it rip, time will tell if its right. 

Edited February 16, 2022 by ordnance

[Scully]

10 hours ago, ordnance said:

We must have different experiences I don't know anyone that doesn't want restrictions lifted, I questioned the timing and Boris's motives. I do understand why people at high risk would have issues with some of the restrictions that are being lifted at this time. 

Yes, we must have different experiences, and I also understand why people at high risk have issues with the lifting of restrictions. 
I think Boris has it bang on. 

[ordnance]

11 hours ago, Scully said:

Yes, we must have different experiences, and I also understand why people at high risk have issues with the lifting of restrictions. 
I think Boris has it bang on. 

That will be a first. 

Edited February 17, 2022 by ordnance

[Mungler]

 

 

Well done Australia eh?

Or well done Boris for not going along with other the bed wetters and going into lockdown over Xmas.

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, so no more restrictions, no more free tests as have spent (wasted 🤔) to much money , We have to live with this virus 🤔 , does that mean more people will get covid ? , More people will die ?  medical professionals say it's to soon, it's obvious this government not listening , or following Saint Boris, 

[udderlyoffroad]

Yes correct.

It was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that an airborne virus was never going to be over.  The 'living with COVID' plan should've been published 2 years ago.  It should've been worked on at day 1 of "2 weeks to flatten the curve"

Not now, belatedly after we have condemned likely a million people to premature deaths from treatable cancer, ruined the childhoods of a generation , not to mention billions wasted, is far far too late.

I hope Whitty, Ferguson, et al swing from a rope, and I'm against the death penalty.  Following a fair trial of course.

[39TDS]

49 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

medical professionals say it's to soon

Of course they do, it means they will have to go back to work.

[Newbie to this]

20 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

Of course they do, it means they will have to go back to work.

This, the NHS was already broken, covid has made it nearly non existent.

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Not now, belatedly after we have condemned likely a million people to premature deaths from treatable cancer, ruined the childhoods of a generation , not to mention billions wasted, is far far too late.

This.

1 hour ago, 39TDS said:

Of course they do, it means they will have to go back to work.

This .

40 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

This, the NHS was already broken, covid has made it nearly non existent.

And this.

I think its exposed how fragile and poorly run the NHS and the GP system is.
Shut down the system that treats the nations biggest killers, to fight a disease that couldnt really be fought, whilst GP surgeries shut down and keep copping the money, and earning extra doing vaccinations, and sending everyone with mild ailments to A and E, where many treatable people have died because the system is utterly gridlocked.

Its utterly shameful, yet the likes of SAGE will be set for life, for all their rubbish analysis and doom mongering.

[Dave-G]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

This.

This .

And this.

I think its exposed how fragile and poorly run the NHS and the GP system is.
Shut down the system that treats the nations biggest killers, to fight a disease that couldnt really be fought, whilst GP surgeries shut down and keep copping the money, and earning extra doing vaccinations, and sending everyone with mild ailments to A and E, where many treatable people have died because the system is utterly gridlocked.

Its utterly shameful, yet the likes of SAGE will be set for life, for all their rubbish analysis and doom mongering.

I'm nodding my head in agreement here - whilst feeling I can't make adequate addition to your comments.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Not now, belatedly after we have condemned likely a million people to premature deaths from treatable cancer, ruined the childhoods of a generation , not to mention billions wasted, is far far too late.

I can agree with the treatment of cancer being stopped,  it shouldn't have, not when the time scale is so important. 

But the idea that childhoods have been ruined ? How or why,  kids have had there lives disrupted but there far from ruined or over.

 

[Mungler]

3 hours ago, Dave-G said:

I'm nodding my head in agreement here - whilst feeling I can't make adequate addition to your comments.

All of this for me too.

 

2 hours ago, Mice! said:

I can agree with the treatment of cancer being stopped,  it shouldn't have, not when the time scale is so important. 

But the idea that childhoods have been ruined ? How or why,  kids have had there lives disrupted but there far from ruined or over.

 

 

So, all 3 of mine sitting A levels and GCSEs have all been affected, but we got off lightly and that’s only because the older 2 are straight A students and I fortunate enough to be able to open my wallet for the 3rd and get every tutor known to mankind.

A lady at work, her son won’t leave the house now. Supposed to be sitting GCSEs this year but won’t be sitting any. Child mental health services totally overwhelmed. And we are only at the beginning of seeing the effects.

Kids become cognitive at what 6 to 8 years old. So at 14 to 16 years you would have spent 1/3 of your cognitive life in fear, in lockdown, looking at a computer screen and barely taught for your GCSEs.

And all for a virus that wouldn’t scratch the young; the selfishness of adults who sought to blame children for the spread of a virus that in the main is fatal only to those of at an age far in excess of the average national mortality rate.

I am watching first hand a generation of kids that just don’t go out or really do anything anymore. Aside from no school, a massive hole in your education and just not going out at the best age(s) of your life - No 16th, 18th, or 21st parties, no proms, no school trips, no holidays, no school clubs, no sports, no meeting up with mates and until recently all under a blanket of SAGE induced fear.

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Edited February 21, 2022 by Mungler

[Mice!]

27 minutes ago, Mungler said:

am watching first hand a generation of kids that just don’t go out or really do anything anymore. Aside from no school and no going out at the best age of your life - No 16th, 18th, or 21st parties, no proms, no school trips, no holidays, no school clubs, no sports and until recently all in a blanket of SAGE induced fear.

I only know one person who's kid has been affected,  but she has always been quiet, school trips have been going on, sports clubs started again last year, same with beavers cubs etc. Maybe it was regional?

I've asked nieces and nephew's,  friends kids how they've got on, they just shrug and say its been fine.

Kids are resilient and I think it's more parents projecting their fears onto the kids.

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

I've asked nieces and nephew's,  friends kids how they've got on, they just shrug and say its been fine.

Kids are resilient and I think it's more parents projecting their fears onto the kids.

Kids tend to do that, they struggle to articulate how theyre feeling , have you ever asked a hormonal teenager whats wrong, and got any kind of answer ?

My partners daughter is a primary school teacher, and besides them missing vast amounts of schooling , the amount of social services interest in some families has increased expotentially , those that were already on the at risk spectrum, have received little support.
Normal stable life , at a crucial age, has been totally disrupted, revision and exams ruined , relationships, between siblings , friends and parents , strained to breaking point.
Whatever your perspective, I agree whole heartedly with Mungler, this has been a disaster for the kids, and the results may not be known for some time.

[Mungler]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

I only know one person who's kid has been affected,  but she has always been quiet, school trips have been going on, sports clubs started again last year, same with beavers cubs etc. Maybe it was regional?

I've asked nieces and nephew's,  friends kids how they've got on, they just shrug and say its been fine.

Kids are resilient and I think it's more parents projecting their fears onto the kids.

We’ll all see soon enough.

And this article is from today:

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/21/england-second-pandemic-mental-health-issues-nhs-covid

I did find a Sept 2021 report from the Royal Institute of Psychiatrists saying a 200% increase in child referrals but that’s under and out of date now. 

I’m sure it’s just regional.

 

[Mice!]

17 minutes ago, Mungler said:

I’m sure it’s just regional

By regional I meant whether clubs or sports were going on, our kids school have been great throughout,  maybe we were lucky.

19 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

the amount of social services interest in some families has increased expotentially , those that were already on the at risk spectrum, have received little support

My wife works in a school, unfortunately it's the kids who would have needed the most support who will have fallen behind the most, and the kids being at home will have highlighted the issue.

21 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Kids tend to do that, they struggle to articulate how theyre feeling , have you ever asked a hormonal teenager whats wrong, and got any kind of answer ?

Not at all, you ask a teenage lad if he wants to be in school or at home on his Xbox playing games while chatting to his mates online, they weren't totally cut off from the outside world. Or going for bike rides, guess it depends on what you did with the kids.

The kids I know were doing there set work online then just chilling out.

I was told of a teacher in Barrow going around an area doing welfare checks on children who wasn't happy with what she was finding so had a few kids in tow with her, just to get them out, this is down to bad parenting.

27 minutes ago, Mungler said:

did find a Sept 2021 report from the Royal Institute of Psychiatrists saying a 200% increase in child referrals but that’s under and out of date now. 

We've said before that % don't mean much, unfortunately these days kids are under a lot more pressure,  and probably grow up too fast, add in all the gender issues, straight or gay issues and it must be very hard for some.

We asked my nephew and niece about this around Xmas time, my nephews response was brilliant,  he said that some kids are just mongs, that they must actually practice how to mope about dragging there bags around by one strap , from the mouths of babes.

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Mice! said:

We asked my nephew and niece about this around Xmas time, my nephews response was brilliant,  he said that some kids are just mongs, that they must actually practice how to mope about dragging there bags around by one strap , from the mouths of babes.

He sounds lovely.

Maybe some kids just arent as lucky as him, and have issues he knows nothing about ?
Besides the point really, if the kids you know personally have had a fun time during lockdown , and simply relish wearing masks half the day , thats great.
The fact that one teacher recognised some of the 'mongs' might be struggling, just goes to show that not everyone was having such fun ?

[Mice!]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

He sounds lovely.

Maybe some kids just arent as lucky as him, and have issues he knows nothing about ?
Besides the point really, if the kids you know personally have had a fun time during lockdown , and simply relish wearing masks half the day , thats great.
The fact that one teacher recognised some of the 'mongs' might be struggling, just goes to show that not everyone was having such fun ?

He's the nicest lad you could meet, just honest. 

We asked about them having to wear masks and they said it wasn't a big deal,  they just got on with it, unlike adults who thought shopping in one was the end of the world. 

The teacher was from a totally different county at a primary school not a high school,  and will have been checking on children that they hadn't seen on zoom classes at any point, that's where the welfare issue comes in.

[Mungler]

I just put ‘childrens mental health’ into Google and clicked on news.

It turns out it’s an issue that’s front and centre right now.

From the BBC in the last fortnight: 

‘Some 409,347 under-18s were referred to the NHS in England for specialist care for issues such as suicidal thoughts and self harm between April and October 2021.’

Ignoring percentages, that’s a really really really big number especially when considered proportionate to the overall population.

 

Article here: 

Children's mental health: Huge rise in severe cases, BBC analysis reveals https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-60197150
 

As an aside, this snippet was from the Cyprus Mail (remembering this is not a sole or UK centric issue).

“Unfortunately, it was the prevailing view of children and professionals I met with that the required and expected attention to mental health issues was not given,” she said, explaining children considered the mental health impact more serious than the impact of the virus itself.

***Children spoke of lost childhood, lost experiences, lost motivation for life, anxiety, fears, insecurity, instability and disorganisation of their lives which was partly caused by social isolation, and withdrawal from school communities coupled with the risk of loss, illness and threatened death of loved ones, the commissioner said.***

Special focus in the report was given to the impact of the pandemic on children with disabilities.

“Children with disabilities experienced social isolation, increased levels of stress in the family, aggression and fatigue.”

And the pandemic also prevented parents from effectively exercising their parental care, as it caused occupational challenges apart from the psychological and emotional impact“

 

It’s fine though eh? They’re probably all just mongs, all 410,000 of them. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Mungler

[Walker570]

Absolutely no change to my life, carry on as normal enjoying every second of it.

[Mice!]

12 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Some 409,347 under-18s were referred to the NHS in England for specialist care for issues such as suicidal thoughts and self harm between April and October 2021.’

Ignoring percentages, that’s a really really really big number especially when considered proportionate to the overall population.

That certainly is a big number, far too high,  unfortunately it was probably high before covid.

[Mungler]

5 minutes ago, Mice! said:

That certainly is a big number, far too high,  unfortunately it was probably high before covid.

Well, I’m guessing you factor in the 200% increase and work backwards for the pre-covid figures.