Westley Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Not really, 6 using their own guns are usually more experienced shooters and therefore are quicker shooting a stand and moving on. I shoot in a group that often has up to 6 people, all experienced, as 1 man is shooting, the next is standing directly behind, watching the targets. As soon as one finishes, the next enters the stand and is almost instantaneously shooting. The 6 and 1 gun brigade are usually inexperienced and it is a bit like the blind leading the blind ! 1 guy shooting and the rest cheering or jeering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Possibly, possibly not. Are there many grounds that allow 1 gun to escort 5. My local will allow 2 per SGC holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HantsRob Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Possibly, possibly not. Are there many grounds that allow 1 gun to escort 5. My local will allow 2 per SGC holder. I've not seen this on the 6-7 grounds I've used. Maybe the logic is as Westley suggested! 16 hours ago, Westley said: I did run a shooting ground for some 17 years and I would not suffer, or expect the other shooters to have to suffer, this sort of behaviour. I would simply point out to them that 6, all shooting the same gun is not acceptable, due to the amount of time they are taking on each stand. However, if they were prepared to let other shooters 'shoot through' ( a bit like golf) and then resume their shooting, then I would be happy with that. As to the auto/cartridge problem, I use an auto due to shoulder neck problems but I carry a magnetic stick thing. This can recover about 75% of my used cases but the majority of cases that are littering shooting grounds come from break open guns and NOT auto's. Interesting opinion. Yes I'd have questioned the difference between 1 gun and 6 guns, as I've seen groups that end up chatting nonsense and take an age, and also have seen groups that shoot efficiently as they're there to shoot and not the social element. From my limited experience and seeing where the cases fall, I would have disagreed with your statement about littering. Funny how the truth from experience differs to what is perceived, and is the reason for asking. Thanks for taking the time to explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Believe me I have seen this on many occasions, one guy has a gun and the rest of his 'mates', come along for the ride. (before they hit the pub).They are an absolute pain, both to Ground Owners and other shooters. What is even worse, and I witnessed this about 4 weeks ago, are the group of what appeared to be 'Young Farmers' (the John Deere overalls are a bit of a giveaway) who had brought a couple of young ladies along to show them just how Macho little boys can be. Of course they have to encourage the girls to 'have a go'. I arrived at the stand in time to see this young girl (I have Grandaughters of a similar age) about to shoot a 12 bore gun that was far too long for her, her head was nowhere near the stock and she was having to lean so far back to counteract the weight of the gun, I knew that this was going to hurt. Before I could do anything she shot at a clay, well she fires the gun in that general direction and came back about 3 steps. I shouted at them to grab the gun, which one of them did, only to see a second cartridge in it when the lad opened it. I offered some strong 'advice' to the group, adding that they should not let the girls shoot without some qualified assistance first. They can have a 'starter' lesson for around £30 using the correct equipment which will ensure they are not injured. I also informed the Ground Owner of the incident. As regards the littering, I feel certain that the cartridges that litter the floor inside a shooting stand are NOT from an auto, unless it is of a type that ejects downwards and they are very few and far between. I always clean up the stand of other peoples cartridges before I leave it and having Reffed many a sporting shoot, the cartridges that I pick up, between shooters, are most certainly not from autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 I no longer shoot competitions so I suppose I shoot for the 'social aspect' but that does not mean that I shoot and clear a stand any slower. I save the socialising bit for the clubhouse or between stands. I know so many people in the local shooting world that it is almost impossible for me to get around the ground without meeting someone who is a past customer, a person I have taught to shoot, someone who recognises me from Reffing at somewhere or other, or even people I have shot game with. I always ensure that any conversation takes place out of earshot of any shooting stands though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Westley said: What is even worse, and I witnessed this about 4 weeks ago, are the group of what appeared to be 'Young Farmers' (the John Deere overalls are a bit of a giveaway) who had brought a couple of young ladies along to show them just how Macho little boys can be. Of course they have to encourage the girls to 'have a go'. I arrived at the stand in time to see this young girl (I have Grandaughters of a similar age) about to shoot a 12 bore gun that was far too long for her, her head was nowhere near the stock and she was having to lean so far back to counteract the weight of the gun, I knew that this was going to hurt. Before I could do anything she shot at a clay, well she fires the gun in that general direction and came back about 3 steps. I shouted at them to grab the gun, which one of them did, only to see a second cartridge in it when the lad opened it. I offered some strong 'advice' to the group, Saw exactly the same a couple of years ago at a moderately successful ground near Peterborough. We walked the line of stands shooting one after another in order. At about the sixth stand we became aware of a group of "young Farmers" and what stood out most was that each one shot more than 5 pairs! When all of the lads had shot, the young girls were offered a go with the same outcome as above. Each of the lads was carrying a slab of shells, rather gave the game away that they were on a stag do or similar. They only had guns due to their farming background. Were not particularly safe. Had little or no consideration for their female guests or any other shooters. A quick word with the owner saw them asked to leave and not return. We usually only see this type of behaviour at the "straw bale" shoots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 23/02/2022 at 07:37, TIGHTCHOKE said: Saw exactly the same a couple of years ago at a moderately successful ground near Peterborough. We walked the line of stands shooting one after another in order. At about the sixth stand we became aware of a group of "young Farmers" and what stood out most was that each one shot more than 5 pairs! When all of the lads had shot, the young girls were offered a go with the same outcome as above. Each of the lads was carrying a slab of shells, rather gave the game away that they were on a stag do or similar. They only had guns due to their farming background. Were not particularly safe. Had little or no consideration for their female guests or any other shooters. A quick word with the owner saw them asked to leave and not return. We usually only see this type of behaviour at the "straw bale" shoots. I think a lot of the time they are related to other farmers or 'old farmers' who know the ground owners and this can put the ground owner in a difficult position regarding admonishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Westley said: I think a lot of the time they are related to other farmers or 'old farmers' who know the ground owners and this can put the ground owner in a difficult position regarding admonishment. In this case the ground owners were not happy with the way the girls were poorly looked after, the general safety of the group and mainly that they were shooting far more clays than they had paid for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 59 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: In this case the ground owners were not happy with the way the girls were poorly looked after, the general safety of the group and mainly that they were shooting far more clays than they had paid for! Yes, that will always happen. I witnessed the 'grab a few freebies' last weekend. A group shooting the Instructional stand which is not card controlled, it must have really boosted their ego's shooting at 'binlids' ! 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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