Rewulf Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Walker570 said: They are on the skids. The sooner the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rewulf said: does anyone know what military hardware the french have given the Ukraines ? i was dissapointed in the hardware aid the Canadians gave....i believe it was reported as a few trucks Edited May 9, 2022 by ditchman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Russia and America are not as different as you might think. Both really push their National identity. Every kid in America has to salute the flag and sing the National Anthem every day. In both cases because of the sheer size and relative isolation, news is selectively omitted and controlled. I can absolutely gurantee to you that the average american does not know that Russia even took part in WW2 much less that they won it for the allies through huge sacrifice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Russia and America are not as different as you might think. Both really push their National identity. Every kid in America has to salute the flag and sing the National Anthem every day. In both cases because of the sheer size and relative isolation, news is selectively omitted and controlled. I can absolutely gurantee to you that the average american does not know that Russia even took part in WW2 much less that they won it for the allies through huge sacrifice i worked for a while in USA....they believe they are the centre of the world and they invented everything.......i had a rip roaring aguement with a couple of them one day when fitting a BIG Howard rotovater to a TW30 Ford....they asked me if i had ever seen a machine like that ....i told them it was invented and made in the UK.............THEY WOULD NOT HAVE IT....the aguement still went on after i showed them the large transfer of the royal warrant on the machine.... brainwashing is very powerful stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 05/05/2022 at 13:48, Scully said: Me too. 👍 If reports are to be believed then Anonymous did a pretty good job hacking all state TV channels. Given the circumstances, I'll take that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Russia and America are not as different as you might think. Both really push their National identity. Every kid in America has to salute the flag and sing the National Anthem every day. In both cases because of the sheer size and relative isolation, news is selectively omitted and controlled. I can absolutely gurantee to you that the average american does not know that Russia even took part in WW2 much less that they won it for the allies through huge sacrifice and so should we. Why the embarrasment about being British? plus the fact you don't get sent to a Siberian gulag or poisoned if you disagree with the powers that be. Navalgny??? hope I spelt that correctly. Edited May 9, 2022 by Walker570 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Walker570 said: and so should we. Why the embarrasment about being British? plus the fact you don't get sent to a Siberian gulag or poisoned if you disagree with the powers that be. Navalgny??? hope I spelt that correctly. The trouble with singing the national anthems is that they’re ( in this case the British and American ) usually borne out of religion. The Americans have a huge religious indoctrination programme as part of their culture. As far as they’re concerned god is American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 hours ago, ditchman said: i worked for a while in USA....they believe they are the centre of the world and they invented everything.......i had a rip roaring aguement with a couple of them one day when fitting a BIG Howard rotovater to a TW30 Ford....they asked me if i had ever seen a machine like that ....i told them it was invented and made in the UK.............THEY WOULD NOT HAVE IT....the aguement still went on after i showed them the large transfer of the royal warrant on the machine.... brainwashing is very powerful stuff My ex sister in law works in the film industry. Many years ago in Lost Angeles a couple of her work colleagues were asking her if she had to get water from a well and do we have electricity in England. they so think they are the centre of the universe but their knowledge of world politics is worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: and so should we. Why the embarrasment about being British? plus the fact you don't get sent to a Siberian gulag or poisoned if you disagree with the powers that be. Navalgny??? hope I spelt that correctly. Indeed. With the passage of time everyone seems to forget that this situation was created by Putin, however, we will never know why he invaded Ukraine because the stated reason changes with each week. I am sure that people with more patience and better diplomatic skills than me are trying very hard to negotiate a settlement but I genuinely don’t see how that can take place. If Russia starts to hurt enough they will either (1) red button (2) dislodge the nutter in charge (3) leave the Ukraine. Let’s not overlook easiest, quickest and cheapest resolution (which is constant) is (3), and given that we are negotiating purely because of (1) we are being held to ransom and that’s not a negotiation. I don’t want to freeze, starve, go bankrupt or send my kids to war and I doubt anyone in the West does either, but at this moment I just can’t see any off ramp. Edit: There’s more dreamy apologists on the news saying that more should be done to negotiate with Russia. As above, I can’t see any negotiations taking place without significant concessions / appeasement and which does rather stick in the throat given (3) above (and that the whole mess to hand is Putin’s doing). Focusing still on (3), do we think anyone on Russia Today will be broadcasting their dreamy views apologising for the West and encouraging Russia to enter into a negotiated solution? 😆 Edited May 9, 2022 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 This is long, but well worth a read https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/09/the-forgotten-russia-report-of-2008-how-ukraine-is-paying-the-price-for-our-catastrophic-mistakes/?fbclid=IwAR1_sGOak49qncwzN58va4seiuAPiwg4vA4Yd_sRFx05Q6fNavROo26QoTc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Mungler said: This is long, but well worth a read https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/09/the-forgotten-russia-report-of-2008-how-ukraine-is-paying-the-price-for-our-catastrophic-mistakes/?fbclid=IwAR1_sGOak49qncwzN58va4seiuAPiwg4vA4Yd_sRFx05Q6fNavROo26QoTc That's a dang good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'd like to think every right minded person would agree with the three key points at the end of the article but the key question is how, especially when we have governments headed by buffoons. https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/10/queens-speech-boris-johnson-cost-of-living-culture-wars/ It's even more disturbing to consider that Boris actually looks good in comparison to some of his counterparts in Europe and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: It's even more disturbing to consider that Boris actually looks good in comparison to some of his counterparts in Europe and beyond... That really is worrying, especially if Boris is as bad as some on here would believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Hello, the only way is to get rid of Putin, a well aimed bomb on the Kremlin 🤔👍, if nothing is done then I can see the complete destruction of Ukraine , 10s of 1000s dead , millions Ukrainians displaced into other countries, and their younger generation needing so much help with mental health, from shell shock like WW1 , PTSD, and war wounds that will maim mind and body, it still brings a heavy heart when I see the TV reports, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, the only way is to get rid of Putin, a well aimed bomb on the Kremlin 🤔👍 Im sure theyll be fine about that 😆 You arent really being serious are you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Im sure theyll be fine about that 😆 You arent really being serious are you ? And why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 22 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, the only way is to get rid of Putin, a well aimed bomb on the Kremlin 🤔👍, if nothing is done then I can see the complete destruction of Ukraine , 10s of 1000s dead , millions Ukrainians displaced into other countries, and their younger generation needing so much help with mental health, from shell shock like WW1 , PTSD, and war wounds that will maim mind and body, it still brings a heavy heart when I see the TV reports, and how many are the arms WE send killing maiming or scarring for life let’s have no pretence of OUR sickening shameful role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 34 minutes ago, johnphilip said: And why not Can you not imagine the retaliation ? If you think theyve been brutal so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Im sure theyll be fine about that 😆 You arent really being serious are you ? Hello, yes am being very serious, maybe not a bomb but something must must be done to put an end to the horrific war in Ukraine that most citizens who live there never wanted, except maybe the Russians who live in the Donbass , if all the western countries and those on the Russian border that supported Ukraine had stood up to Putin while he was getting his army on the Ukraine border, maybe he would not have invaded, now it's to late , 2 more countries are scrabbling to join NATO , any reason why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Can you not imagine the retaliation ? If you think theyve been brutal so far.... Hello, it all goes down as to his threat of nuclear arms , the mighty Russian red button, will he won't he , ?? and while countries a hitting Russia finances he's murdering 1000s of innocent men, women, and children Edited May 11, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, it all goes down as to his threat of nuclear arms , the mighty Russian red button, will he won't he , ?? If you drop a big metal jacket that goes booom on his home then he would go into arcade game mode and button bash the hell out of the nuclear system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said: If you drop a big metal jacket that goes booom on his home then he would go into arcade game mode and button bash the hell out of the nuclear system Hello, would he really, ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 Just now, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, would he really, ?? I'd not want to find out but yeah I'd not be at all surprised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: If you drop a big metal jacket that goes booom on his home then he would go into arcade game mode and button bash the hell out of the nuclear system He would not be there to bash the big red button ,you may infact do what many in Russia are wanting to see happens . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 11, 2022 Report Share Posted May 11, 2022 It's been said before and it still holds, either his own people need to take him out or wait for Mother nature to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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