mgsontour Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just sorting out my SGC renewal and had a question regarding a decommissioned gun so contacted LANCS HQ no problems, while on the phone the girl said make sure you send all 3 forms in together or it will be rejected, OK I said. Thank you So printed the application/renewal form as a pack from their website which contained the application plus the medical forms which equals 2 so back on the phone to be told...... Aaaaaah yes you also need the all occupants of the property form ( below ) firearms-licencing-co-residence-form.pdf (lancashire.police.uk) I can remember only reading this once on PW some time ago but apart from that knew nothing about it, how many people will be innocently applying for a renewal without the extra form required. I know there are soooooooooooo many hoops to jump through depending of your postcode but wow they ain't making it easy and damn right obstructive. Anyhow rant over and hopefully people don't fall foul of a complex system. Good luck lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Is that even legal? GDPR First principle: lawfulness, fairness (and transparency) For law enforcement processing this principle requires the processing to be: necessary for the purposes of the prevention, investigation, detection or prosecution of criminal offences or the execution of criminal penalties, including the safeguarding against and the prevention of threats to public security targeted and proportionate and not carried out if it is possible to reasonably achieve the purpose by alternative, less intrusive means fair to data subjects, but only where doing so would not prejudice law enforcement purposes. Fairness requires being clear and open with data subjects about how their information is used, in keeping with their reasonable expectations. In addition, for law enforcement processing, where sensitive processing occurs it must be strictly necessary, it must meet a DPA Schedule 8 condition, and an appropriate policy document must be in place to demonstrate compliance, safeguards and processes. For general processing, this principle requires the police: to identify valid grounds (known as a ‘lawful basis’) for collecting and using personal data to ensure a UK GDPR Article 6(1) condition is met to ensure that it does not do anything with the personal data in breach of any other laws to use personal data in a way that is fair, meaning it must not be processed in a way that is unduly detrimental, unexpected or misleading to the data subjects concerned to be clear, open and honest with people from the start about how their personal data will be used. If general processing involves special category data, a UK GDPR Article 6(2) special processing condition must be met. Additionally, if the processing involves criminal offence data, it must comply with UK GDPR Article 10. Second principle: purpose limitation For law enforcement processing, this principle requires the processing to be: for a defined law enforcement process specified, explicit and legitimate compatible with the original reason and justification for processing. For general processing this principle requires the police: to be clear about what the purposes for processing are from the start to record the purposes as part of their documentation obligations and specify them in privacy information for individuals to only use the personal data for a new purpose if either this is compatible with your original purpose, or if consented to by the data subject, or there is a clear basis in law to do so. Edited February 25, 2022 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, oowee said: Is that even legal? They make their own decisions based upon Home Office Guidance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: They make their own decisions based upon Home Office Guidance! Do you know if all the forces are using this form now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Cambridgeshire, Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire are all on line only. And when I did my renewal there was no page for all occupants. No printing off of forms. Edited February 25, 2022 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Same as @TIGHTCHOKE,Kent is all online, and there was nowhere for this on the forms. They did ask for all other occupants names when they phoned for the interview though. So maybe this will become a thing. Edited February 25, 2022 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka54 Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: They did ask for all other occupants names when they phoned for the interview though. So maybe this will become a thing. Yes this was the case for me as well, Leicestershire FAO took details of other household occupants at the time of the visit though. So it looks like each firearms dep't will have their own way of gathering this information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted February 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 I understand things can be open to interpretation but if I didn't have a query then I would have never known. The must read notes than came out of the application pack ( pack to me is a pack of what you need ) there was no mention of this extra form. Hopefully other LANCS residents will read this post before they assume their doing the right thing only for it to be bounced and they end up having to lodge guns with gunsmiths while its sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshooter Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 I had this in the SYP area. I was told all occupants are already past the first 2 levels of my security, 1st level was taken to be my alarm and cameras and the 2nd level was taken to be my external doors, so their credibility was taking into account. I actually support this. I heard a whisper that not just their police intelligence file entries were looked at, but they also considered their medical issues ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 Never seen such a load of..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fortunately Leics have not YET slipped to such a low level. I mentioned a book "Tango Juliet Foxtrot" some time ago. No kidding read that , even the first chapter and you will see where the British Police Force has gone worng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Tonka54 said: Yes this was the case for me as well, Leicestershire FAO took details of other household occupants at the time of the visit though. So it looks like each firearms dep't will have their own way of gathering this information 14 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Never seen such a load of..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fortunately Leics have not YET slipped to such a low level. I mentioned a book "Tango Juliet Foxtrot" some time ago. No kidding read that , even the first chapter and you will see where the British Police Force has gone worng. Not sure this is still true, from the statement above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, oowee said: Not sure this is still true, from the statement above. Well just gone through another renewal with Leics and no such questions where asked of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoe Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 I am sure Lancashire police didn’t have it when I renewed 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, joejoe said: I am sure Lancashire police didn’t have it when I renewed 2 years ago. Probably not it is relatively new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTaylor91 Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 I’m sure I had to give name and relationship of occupants on my initial grant with Humberside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hushpower Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 Try Legal Stationers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 25, 2022 Report Share Posted February 25, 2022 What a crock of 💩! Let’s all just lay down and get shafted by whoever shall we! Come on folk, let’s grow a backbone please! I have a FIL who doesn’t know what day it is let alone which year, as long as he gets his pheasants! My MIL couldn’t care less and neither could my OH. How far are you prepared to let this go? Co habitants? Relatives? Neighbours? Down the road in the next street? The more you give the more they’ll take. Those membership subs still worth your money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 21 hours ago, mgsontour said: I understand things can be open to interpretation but if I didn't have a query then I would have never known. The must read notes than came out of the application pack ( pack to me is a pack of what you need ) there was no mention of this extra form. Hopefully other LANCS residents will read this post before they assume their doing the right thing only for it to be bounced and they end up having to lodge guns with gunsmiths while its sorted Thanks for that, well spotted! downloaded and completed. Just waiting for the stuff to come back from MedCert then I'm good to,go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Wish Norfolk was ‘online’ as my renewal is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Diver One said: Thanks for that, well spotted! downloaded and completed. Just waiting for the stuff to come back from MedCert then I'm good to,go My GP did mine in 12 days, which is faster than getting an appointment; amazing what cash does 3 hours ago, Jaymo said: Wish Norfolk was ‘online’ as my renewal is due. Take care and get someone to read it over for you once completed as silly mistakes are easy to make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Jaymo said: Wish Norfolk was ‘online’ as my renewal is due. You'll have to drag it kicking and screaming in to the 21st century! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 Apparently it is as a consequence of the Plymouth tragedy. As we would expect as the police try to move the blame away from themselves, by putting more and more checks in the application process. Next is full cost recovery. Been recently told a lot who currently own firearms are expected to fail at renewal as far more stringent checks are made on the applicant, applicants address and occupants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, mgsontour said: GP did mine in 12 days, which is faster than getting an appointment; amazing what cash does I mentioned cash. They said no i mentioned Private, their eyes lit up and they mentioned £200. I said no😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 hour ago, mgsontour said: My GP did mine in 12 days, which is faster than getting an appointment; amazing what cash does Take care and get someone to read it over for you once completed as silly mistakes are easy to make 15 minutes ago, Diver One said: I mentioned cash. They said no i mentioned Private, their eyes lit up and they mentioned £200. I said no😂 Why are you two getting your GPs to fill in All Occupants Forms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: Been recently told a lot who currently own firearms are expected to fail at renewal as far more stringent checks are made Who told you this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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