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Will H
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Indeed.  Banning pump actions implies they are more lethal than a SXS or O/U, when in reality not really, and the fact there's zero mention of semi automatics makes it look even more stupid.

Hopefully common sense in parliament will prevail here...

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5 minutes ago, butchdickason said:

Why is a pump action shotgun more lethal than any other shotgun, a gun of any type will kill in the wrong hands.  This proposal seems to me to be a self promoting platform for this ill informed MP to gain publicity.

Exactly.  You either have to come after ALL guns (not going to happen), or forget it. Banning a single type of action is stupid.

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My rights don't end ,where your fear starts 

If I had to fire 6 shots as quick as possible .

An ejecting ou .would be faster than a 3 shot pump .

4 shots .- the ou is faster 

If I had to shoot 2 shots as fast as possible  an ou.is faster .

The only time a pump is faster than an ou. is when firing 3 shots .

so speed CANT be the reasoning. 

so we are left with irrational fear .

See my first line above .

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I guess this is where the guys and girls with the links to the government, like BASC and other shooting organisations should explain these simple things.

Luckily, there will be plenty of BASC members who aren't farmers or "professional" pest controllers who use pump actions, so there should be pushback. It's not like MARS where there are limited use cases.

 

 

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Just yet another cynical politician playing the popularity game with absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely no idea of what firearms are out there nor how they function.
He could have pointed a finger at the police, but that would mean confronting a problem no one has an answer to, so far easier to blame an inanimate object rather than the person using it, akin to blaming the car rather than the driver. 
Despicable behaviour, but then what else should we expect? 
 

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3 hours ago, Will H said:

Just seen this on the local news...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477


When will MPs live in the real world, with all that is going on at the moment they want to waste parliamentary time on this,

MP Luke Pollard has not got a clue about U.K. gun laws or what really went wrong at Plymouth.

edited to add 

if you live in Plymouth, Sutton, devonport you should contact him and ask him to look at the police involvement in this tragic incident and request he provides you with the IOPC report when published.

 

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3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said:


When will MPs live in the real world, with all that is going on at the moment they want to waste parliamentary time on this,

MP Luke Pollard has not got a clue about U.K. gun laws or what really went wrong at Plymouth.

edited to add 

if you live in Plymouth, Sutton, devonport you should contact him and ask him to look at the police involvement in this tragic incident and request he provides you with the IOPC report when published.

 

surprise, surprise,  a labour and coop member

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5 hours ago, jan8p said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477

So this chap is suggesting banning of pump action shotguns in homes to parliament today.  Hopefully won't get anywhere as (usual) it's nonsensical.

They are, effectively, banned in France! Yet the maker's equivalent self loading model isn't. So in ways that us Brits would compare Remington 870.... bad. Remington 1100...not bad.

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5 hours ago, Scully said:

Just yet another cynical politician playing the popularity game with absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely no idea of what firearms are out there nor how they function.
He could have pointed a finger at the police, but that would mean confronting a problem no one has an answer to, so far easier to blame an inanimate object rather than the person using it, akin to blaming the car rather than the driver. 
Despicable behaviour, but then what else should we expect? 
 

Lord knows after all he is Labour dross

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This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . BASC has briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. BASC has also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and BASC has been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation.

In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing.
 
 
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BASC's response copied from The Stalking Directory - sounds like the situation is in hand!

"This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . We have briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. We have also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and we have been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation.

In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing."

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12 minutes ago, Will H said:

BASC's response copied from The Stalking Directory - sounds like the situation is in hand!

"This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . We have briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. We have also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and we have been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation.

In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing."

This is good - but I am alarmed by the last line re poss’ statutory guidance up date. 
We all know this tragic incident occurred because a dangerous and mentally ill man had his gun returned. It is therefore police operational standards (in the case of D and C) which need to be overhauled - and not our perfectly robust firearms licencing. 

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On 02/03/2022 at 15:49, enfieldspares said:

They are, effectively, banned in France! Yet the maker's equivalent self loading model isn't. So in ways that us Brits would compare Remington 870.... bad. Remington 1100...not bad.

Wrong wrong and wrong… check your facts.

There was a change in the law as all pumps even with short barrels had to be ‘cannon rayé’ which is rifled. Then the law changed to longer 24” barrels 

Smooth bore and those with barrels less than 24” (61cm) are able to be held on category B1 which would be like us and our FAC.

This isn’t the first time that you have incorrectly made a statement about the French and their laws! 

Here is a translation from a French Gunshop that I used to use:

‘Choose your shotgun for hunting:
 The regulations allow the purchase of a shotgun with a hunting license or a shooting license for a rifle of 5 shots maximum with a 61 cm barrel as well as a total length greater than 80 cm with a rifled barrel. You can  use different hunting or shooting ammunition (skirted or greasy wad, shot or ball) but also non-lethal cartridges such as gum-cognes.’

https://www.meyson.fr/c/214-fusils-a-pompe

 

 

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