Panorama

[clangerman]

1 hour ago, toxo said:

Labour/Tory, it's just a name. You think I'm a Labour voter? Wrong. I used to be but not for a while. They are found wanting in some areas but their goals are better for the country and the people in it. If you look at it objectively, What tools do they have compared to the torys? Generalising now, Most of em don't come from an Eton/Harrow background where they're taught from birth how to make money. They don't have anything like the budget that the tories have to work with. Tory background and money enables them to promise the world and give nothing. Their focus is all about getting re-elected and they're very good at it. They've been proven liars time and time again and still never admit it or say sorry. They get £50 whilst the rest of us get many times more. They're rotten to the core and because they focus every year to make more "haves" they get away with it.

bang on you won’t get any sympathy from the tory social club all busy ignoring the FACT haves in business stole billions in furlong fraud from SAME pot that pays for the SICK and DISABLED stealing from the helpless what hero’s pass the sick bag! 

[Bigbob]

48 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Things like this is why Labour are are where they are

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/william-gladstone-park-renamed-diane-abbott-slavery-review/

Dont know if there having a laughor taking the pee she commented on the war in Crotia twice and the both times the presenter said Ukraine 

She saying everybody must be public schooles whilst her sons in a private school 

She was supposed to sleeping with Corben but why the new leader didnt  boot her into touch as she is a embarresment and i would never vote labour as shes might be in the parliment 

[toontastic]

20 minutes ago, clangerman said:

bang on you won’t get any sympathy from the tory social club all busy ignoring the FACT haves in business stole billions in furlong fraud from SAME pot that pays for the SICK and DISABLED stealing from the helpless what hero’s pass the sick bag! 

It's always the same with you Blah blah blah "I hate the police" Blah blah blah "I hate the rich" you are always complaining about some particular group. Let's start hearing some solutions and ideas from you on how to make things better, and if you are just going to spout the same old garbage it will be me needing the sick bag. 

[Gordon R]

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Even as an ex labour supporter, that ingrained chip on your shoulder for the privileged and those of inherited entitlement will be with you for life. 

I am still waiting for toxo's view on the anti-semite Labour Party. They don't care about money, but do care about people, unless they are Jewish.

[toontastic]

10 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

I am still waiting for toxo's view on the anti-semite Labour Party. They don't care about money, but do care about people, unless they are Jewish.

His silence is deafening. He's another one who is full of criticism but devoid of ideas and solutions. I'm beginning to think he may secretly be a politician. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by toontastic

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

Things like this is why Labour are are where they are

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/william-gladstone-park-renamed-diane-abbott-slavery-review/

Children as young as 5 picking her name, yeah right. 😅😅😅

[Newbie to this]

16 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Children as young as 5 picking her name, yeah right. 😅😅😅

The indoctrination starts early on.

[Newbie to this]

And then there is this -

 

[clangerman]

2 hours ago, toontastic said:

It's always the same with you Blah blah blah "I hate the police" Blah blah blah "I hate the rich" you are always complaining about some particular group. Let's start hearing some solutions and ideas from you on how to make things better, and if you are just going to spout the same old garbage it will be me needing the sick bag. 

only one using the hate word is YOU get a grip! 

[discobob]

22 hours ago, toxo said:

Define "performing", do you mean doing badly for the majority of people or doing badly for the more well off element?

Badly at everything for everyone! From the sounds of it I think that you believe that everyone should be paid the same regardless (communism/marxism) and only the political elite are the ones entitled. We have a Assembly that must be full of Pedophiles as they are sending out questionnaires to 13 year olds asking about when they first had sex - and of course sex education down to infants. They want to increase the number of assembly members by 50% which will mean an increase of 50% of costs. So we will have 90, for a country of 3 million. They have introduced minimum pricing on alcohol which will impact the lowest earners and not the wealthy. They subsidize a  failing airport that they purchased for way over market price, something like 50 million a year - do you want me to go on

Oh I - they continually blame West Minister for all of the failings. 

20 hours ago, Mice! said:

I didn't realise they had been in control for that long, Labour or the Conservatives seem to get two or three terms then folk want a change, but 21 years straight should mean everything is great, or people just won't vote for anything but Labour  sounds like Stockholm syndrome. 

Very apt - if you have a look at the voting map you will see that about 10% of the area of Wales actually voted Labour (Newport, Swansea and Cardiff) - I think that they must have a district for every street in those cities so they can tip the balance against the rest of the country.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, discobob said:

Badly at everything for everyone! From the sounds of it I think that you believe that everyone should be paid the same regardless (communism/marxism) and only the political elite are the ones entitled. We have a Assembly that must be full of Pedophiles as they are sending out questionnaires to 13 year olds asking about when they first had sex - and of course sex education down to infants. They want to increase the number of assembly members by 50% which will mean an increase of 50% of costs. So we will have 90, for a country of 3 million. They have introduced minimum pricing on alcohol which will impact the lowest earners and not the wealthy. They subsidize a  failing airport that they purchased for way over market price, something like 50 million a year - do you want me to go on

Oh I - they continually blame West Minister for all of the failings. 

Very apt - if you have a look at the voting map you will see that about 10% of the area of Wales actually voted Labour (Newport, Swansea and Cardiff) - I think that they must have a district for every street in those cities so they can tip the balance against the rest of the country.

Sounds like the way Scotland will go if the SNP get there way. 

[toxo]

3 hours ago, discobob said:

 From the sounds of it I think that you believe that everyone should be paid the same regardless (communism/marxism) and only the political elite are the ones entitled.

***???

You actually think do you? That's a surprise. Did it hurt much?

[toxo]

10 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I am still waiting for toxo's view on the anti-semite Labour Party. They don't care about money, but do care about people, unless they are Jewish.

I don't have any views on anti semitism. To be honest, I don't understand it. All I know is the Jews have been persecuted for hundreds of years and I don't know why. I suspect it has something to do with money.

[toxo]

10 hours ago, toontastic said:

His silence is deafening. He's another one who is full of criticism but devoid of ideas and solutions. I'm beginning to think he may secretly be a politician. 

Another one asking me for ideas and solutions!

Tell you what, I'll start a new thread on ideas and solutions with absolutely no politics. No he said she said. That'll sort the wheat from the chaff.

[Gordon R]

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I don't have any views on anti semitism. 

You should have a view. It is totally wrong, but okay for the Labour Party.

I have to be honest, your rather simplistic posts are taking a turn for the juvenile.

[discobob]

@toxo You asked

Define "performing", do you mean doing badly for the majority of people or doing badly for the more well off element?

Where the last part - "doing badly for the more well off element" shows your intent - If Welsh Labour are screwing the middle ground or higher that it is OK then? Hence my comment on you being a socialist/marxist - well if you are you should move to Wales where they are trialing the Universal Basic Income.

I would say that I am lower middle class from my income and we get sod all from any government and haven't claimed a penny since leaving the forces 25 years ago - even when made redundant I was out driving for an agency within 3 days but people like you seem to think that I should be paying more and more to keep a load of spongers in the lifestyle that they have chosen.

My brother died last year - and he was one of them that chose that type of lifestyle letting the state pick up where he couldn't be ****'d - like being a father to his numerous kids and providing for them.

I do believe that there are the exceptions though and would (and indeed have) supported these people directly where I can. 

10 hours ago, toxo said:

***???

You actually think do you? That's a surprise. Did it hurt much?

From that I can only take it that your username must have been a type - it should be Toxic

I was going to set you to ignore but I think I will stick around and see you dig yourself some more holes

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by discobob

[Mungler]

My 2p:

1. basic and fundamental economic principles need to be taught as a mandatory GCSE - everyone needs to know how the world goes round from an economic perspective. My first A level economic lesson started with "there's no such thing as a free lunch" in that everything but everything has to be paid for, from somewhere, by someone and then there is also the opportunity cost in funding that lunch and not spending the money / applying the resources on something else. These principles hold for everything from funding schools, the NHS and through to immigration.

2. if anyone wants to keep more of what is their own money (and which they and no one else earned) then you need small government. Big government and an over reliance on government to fix everything to the level of wiping bottoms, means big taxation. The best accepted model of taxation is the Hong Kong flat 10% rate - so simple and so fair everyone pays it. Labour love big government and state sector employment because they are the labour voters of tomorrow (and Turkey's don't vote for Xmas / a Tory government).

3. as Winston Churchill said, you don't make the poor rich by making the rich poorer. Again, this is a matter of economics, not age old labour jealous green eye. All the virtue signalling champagne socialists I know spout on about how more should be done to fund the NHS / social services / the poor / education and how we should welcome everyone to our shores (etc) but not one of them will willingly vote to make themselves poorer. By voting for labour they hope that the money comes from the mythical pockets of the likes of Jeff Bezos and not their pocket. Following on, when I point out that there is nothing to stop them easing their social consciences giving say 10% of their salaries voluntarily to their local school / hospital none of them do.

It was Thatcher who promoted equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Labour voters fueled by jealousy want equality of outcome and that's socialism and there's not a country on the planet where that has ever come close to working.

[discobob]

7 minutes ago, Mungler said:

My 2p:

1. basic and fundamental economic principles need to be taught as a mandatory GCSE - everyone needs to know how the world goes round from an economic perspective. My first A level economic lesson started with "there's no such thing as a free lunch" in that everything but everything has to be paid for, from somewhere, by someone and then there is also the opportunity cost in funding that lunch and not spending the money / applying the resources on something else. These principles hold for everything from funding schools, the NHS and through to immigration.

2. if anyone wants to keep more of what is their own money (and which they and no one else earned) then you need small government. Big government and an over reliance on government to fix everything to the level of wiping bottoms, means big taxation. The best accepted model of taxation is the Hong Kong flat 10% rate - so simple and so fair everyone pays it. Labour love big government and state sector employment because they are the labour voters of tomorrow (and Turkey's don't vote for Xmas / a Tory government).

3. as Winston Churchill said, you don't make the poor rich by making the rich poorer. Again, this is a matter of economics, not age old labour jealous green eye. All the virtue signalling champagne socialists I know spout on about how more should be done to fund the NHS / social services / the poor / education and how we should welcome everyone to our shores (etc) but not one of them will willingly vote to make themselves poorer. By voting for labour they hope that the money comes from the mythical pockets of the likes of Jeff Bezos and not their pocket. Following on, when I point out that there is nothing to stop them easing their social consciences giving say 10% of their salaries voluntarily to their local school / hospital none of them do.

It was Thatcher who promoted equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Labour voters fueled by jealousy want equality of outcome and that's socialism and there's not a country on the planet where that has ever come close to working.

here here! It is just a shame that the modern Conservatives are not this way inclined. 😞

 

[London Best]

4 hours ago, Mungler said:

My 2p:

1. basic and fundamental economic principles need to be taught as a mandatory GCSE - everyone needs to know how the world goes round from an economic perspective. My first A level economic lesson started with "there's no such thing as a free lunch" in that everything but everything has to be paid for, from somewhere, by someone and then there is also the opportunity cost in funding that lunch and not spending the money / applying the resources on something else. These principles hold for everything from funding schools, the NHS and through to immigration.

2. if anyone wants to keep more of what is their own money (and which they and no one else earned) then you need small government. Big government and an over reliance on government to fix everything to the level of wiping bottoms, means big taxation. The best accepted model of taxation is the Hong Kong flat 10% rate - so simple and so fair everyone pays it. Labour love big government and state sector employment because they are the labour voters of tomorrow (and Turkey's don't vote for Xmas / a Tory government).

3. as Winston Churchill said, you don't make the poor rich by making the rich poorer. Again, this is a matter of economics, not age old labour jealous green eye. All the virtue signalling champagne socialists I know spout on about how more should be done to fund the NHS / social services / the poor / education and how we should welcome everyone to our shores (etc) but not one of them will willingly vote to make themselves poorer. By voting for labour they hope that the money comes from the mythical pockets of the likes of Jeff Bezos and not their pocket. Following on, when I point out that there is nothing to stop them easing their social consciences giving say 10% of their salaries voluntarily to their local school / hospital none of them do.

It was Thatcher who promoted equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Labour voters fueled by jealousy want equality of outcome and that's socialism and there's not a country on the planet where that has ever come close to working.

VERY good post, Sir.