enfieldspares Posted May 31, 2022 Report Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) On 29/05/2022 at 14:57, grahamch said: Have been pondering buying a new gun for a while, am recently retired and my limp sum is itching to be spent! However, with all of the changes that are going to occur some time in the next six years or so is there any point in investing a reasonable amount in a new gun. Am thing of sending £8k plus what ever I get trade in for a good quality 12 or 20 to be used for clays, pigeons, inland geese and a few trips to the coast. Should I stick with my current Beretta 690-3 or upgrade? TIA Wait. See what happens. The ONLY thing I'd "punt" on would be good quality .410" side by side ejector shotguns of AYA, Arrieta or Ugartechea make and less confidently so pre-1925 made guns. I personally sold my own Boss (made in 1922) as I fear that the market for such will collapse. I hear all the wise words that "steel for 2 1/2" is available" but if there is an issue of barrel damage or barrel dimension changes on a best London gun it is £10,000 plus for a new set of barrels by the maker. It is not a risk no matter how remote I wish to take and I'm not paying £1.00 per shot to pepper clean empty air with bismuth. On 29/05/2022 at 18:54, rbrowning2 said: personally i would keep the £8k in the bank, continue to use your beretta and then wait and see how it all unfolds, we could be paying £400 plus for a thousand cartridges and 50p each to shoot clay in a few years, then very likely a recession on top so could be plenty of bargains to be had then. however only you know if it is an itch that you must scratch. That is wisdom! Edited May 31, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 15 hours ago, enfieldspares said: Wait. See what happens. The ONLY thing I'd "punt" on would be good quality .410" side by side ejector shotguns of AYA, Arrieta or Ugartechea make and less confidently so pre-1925 made guns. I personally sold my own Boss (made in 1922) as I fear that the market for such will collapse. I hear all the wise words that "steel for 2 1/2" is available" but if there is an issue of barrel damage or barrel dimension changes on a best London gun it is £10,000 plus for a new set of barrels by the maker. It is not a risk no matter how remote I wish to take and I'm not paying £1.00 per shot to pepper clean empty air with bismuth. That is wisdom! What makes you think a quality .410 is worth a punt, genuinely interested to hear your views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 I'm truly baffled by the apparent contradiction of @enfieldspares post. On the one hand; don't buy an valuable antique (above the OP's budget!) that may be devalued and/or damaged by a looming ban on lead shot. On the other, invest in an expensive gun of a calibre that, likely, will suffer the most from a lead ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: I'm truly baffled by the apparent contradiction of @enfieldspares post. On the one hand; don't buy an valuable antique (above the OP's budget!) that may be devalued and/or damaged by a looming ban on lead shot. On the other, invest in an expensive gun of a calibre that, likely, will suffer the most from a lead ban? Yes I was puzzled too. The only thing I can put it down to - is that Avery one has their ‘thing’. That is to say, a special something they want to buy, for which all sensible rationale is thrown aside. We all have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Fellside said: Yes I was puzzled too. The only thing I can put it down to - is that Avery one has their ‘thing’. That is to say, a special something they want to buy, for which all sensible rationale is thrown aside. We all have them. I meant ‘every one’. Predictive text….??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Fellside said: I meant ‘every one’. Predictive text….??!! Go in to settings on your phone then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Go in to settings on your phone then! No I prefer it for texting - my main comm’s. It just catches me out sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, button said: What makes you think a quality .410 is worth a punt, genuinely interested to hear your views? I think that there either will be an exemption from the lead shot ban for the .410", or if there isn't, then fairly priced bismuth .410" cartridges will be less than bismuth cartridges in 12, 16 or 20 bore. So it is, yes, a "punt". But I think at least favourable odds. I think that they are (the non-steel proofed made guns) the only gauge of side by side game gun, the .410", that will keep its value or indeed increase its value in the post-HSE REACH years. Edited June 1, 2022 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: I think that there either will be an exemption from the lead shot ban for the .410", or if there isn't, then fairly priced bismuth .410" cartridges will be less than bismuth cartridges in 12, 16 or 20 bore. So it is, yes, a "punt". But I think at least favourable odds. I think that they are (the non-steel proofed made guns) the only gauge of side by side game gun, the .410", that will keep its value or indeed increase its value in the post-HSE REACH years. I don’t think you will be right on the bismuth price maybe home loading but not factory loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 46 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: I think that there either will be an exemption from the lead shot ban for the .410", or if there isn't, then fairly priced bismuth .410" cartridges will be less than bismuth cartridges in 12, 16 or 20 bore. So it is, yes, a "punt". But I think at least favourable odds. I think that they are (the non-steel proofed made guns) the only gauge of side by side game gun, the .410", that will keep its value or indeed increase its value in the post-HSE REACH years. Personally I doubt there’ll be an exemption for .410. I can’t think why there would or should be really. Any exemption would do nothing to justify the stated reason for a lead ban, so I can’t see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 44 minutes ago, Old farrier said: I don’t think you will be right on the bismuth price maybe home loading but not factory loads Yes. Certainly not at all "fairly priced" are they! But, yes, for homeloading or a chance for a small commercial concern to bespoke load there may be a chance of such being priced with honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: Yes. Certainly not at all "fairly priced" are they! But, yes, for homeloading or a chance for a small commercial concern to bespoke load there may be a chance of such being priced with honesty. Hopefully they will realise that and reduce the cost there is a alternative if you fancy plastic wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 The way I see it is if you delay buying a new (dream) gun, in 12 months time you'll be thinking, why didn't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 Buy what you fancy they are only a tool, why not use a £8000 gun on the shore if you can afford it and get pleasure from it, you are a long time dead, I think we get to precious about guns [mind you i dont have £8000 to spend..😄] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted June 1, 2022 Report Share Posted June 1, 2022 The fact that you are asking shows its probably not the right thing for you to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny English Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 On 29/05/2022 at 14:57, grahamch said: Have been pondering buying a new gun for a while, am recently retired and my limp sum is itching to be spent! However, with all of the changes that are going to occur some time in the next six years or so is there any point in investing a reasonable amount in a new gun. Am thing of sending £8k plus what ever I get trade in for a good quality 12 or 20 to be used for clays, pigeons, inland geese and a few trips to the coast. Should I stick with my current Beretta 690-3 or upgrade? TIA I think as long as you buy steel shot proof and multi choke, no reason not to buy a new gun. I would be looking at 12 rather than 20 maybe as well, all this non toxic mallarky might not go well with the 20 gauges for cartridge choice and cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 I'm with @islandgun on this. You want it? Buy it. What if what if? If you thought like that you'd never leave the house in case you got run over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 Go for it,buy the new gun. if you don't you will always wish that you had. As for exemptions for certain calibres.just look how the handgun ban went,RF pistols were safe initially.(yes I know that we are not talking about a ban on weapons,just drawing a similarity). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 The era of cheap goods is for the most part behind us now. In today’s economy - those who dither pay more. I would urge anyone who is thinking about a new gun to buy now - rather than pay a higher price later. As per comments above, make sure it’s future proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 It’s easy to spend someone else’s money and say buy it I’m thinking there’s plenty of nice stuff for 5 /6 K mirouke mk11 browning crown eell all would be good choices the extra 2k won’t buy you a better new gun although 8 k will get a nice second hand one all the best with what ever you decide 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Old farrier said: It’s easy to spend someone else’s money and say buy it I’m thinking there’s plenty of nice stuff for 5 /6 K mirouke mk11 browning crown eell all would be good choices the extra 2k won’t buy you a better new gun although 8 k will get a nice second hand one all the best with what ever you decide 👍 Agreed. Plenty of great guns for far less than 5K actually. However our OP clearly has an 8K budget for a certain gun - so presumably he’s counted his pocket money. It would be interesting to know which gun he fancies….?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 If you set a sum of £8k aside, you must have an idea what gun you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 Best not plan these things What's for you won't pass you by! As I found out last weekend 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, button said: Best not plan these things What's for you won't pass you by! As I found out last weekend 😉 We would still like to know what gun he has his eye on - even if you got lucky last weekend…..🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 2, 2022 Report Share Posted June 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, button said: Best not plan these things What's for you won't pass you by! As I found out last weekend 😉 Definitely best not to plan it I went with a gift voucher and a few £ for a few bits and bobs and well that’s another story……….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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