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[12gauge82]

9 hours ago, Mice! said:

Pretty sure they wanted rid of the miners because of the unions, no miners no mines.

And I've no idea how long it would take to get the mines going again,  never mind train people.

I agree, but like my post said, we should never have closed the mines or coal fired stations until a viable alternative was in place. 

[yates]

58 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

And who is going to go down the pits to dig the coal out NOT this generation of youth also the old skills are lost you just cant start a coal mine like a lot of other industries the skill is  lost 

A fair few of the men who worked down the mines back in the day did sweet FA when they were at work. Putting the climatic argument  to one side, a properly managed coal industry may actually work

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, oowee said:

Why did you not vote Corbyn that was his proposal? Do you want him back?

They did a Corbyn, Is that what you want?

 

Nationalised industries rarely work but we need a better framework agreement and support to reach renewable targets. Trouble is all this stuff is long term so gets little support here.

I wouldn't know as I'd never vote for him, but if what you say is correct, one good policy doesn't mean he's electable. 

[discobob]

7 hours ago, oowee said:

Why did you not vote Corbyn that was his proposal? Do you want him back?

A broken clock tells the right time twice a day

[Jaymo]

9 hours ago, scouser said:

Why is it that the French EDF power company, 90% owned by the French government, only put their prices up by 4%.i thought that under E.U. rules every thing had to be privatised . But then it was only the UK that obeyed the rules.

Think I wrote it elsewhere. 
They capped the increase but there is a €1750 taxation increase

[harrycatcat1]

1 hour ago, yates said:

A fair few of the men who worked down the mines back in the day did sweet FA when they were at work. Putting the climatic argument  to one side, a properly managed coal industry may actually work

I beg your pardon, "a fair few did sweet FA"  how do you work that out?

[bruno22rf]

On a lighter note....Domestic Solar Panel owners seem to be having a record year, first quarter our FIT readings were so high that the company that pays our FIT payments refused to believe our meter readings and we had to submit photographic evidence, second quarter has paid out £360 which, pretty much, covers our current bill. Our Neighbour, who bought his system just before the FIT Tarrif was dropped, cleared £800 last quarter......

[Vince Green]

16 hours ago, Mice! said:

Pretty sure they wanted rid of the miners because of the unions, no miners no mines.

And I've no idea how long it would take to get the mines going again,  never mind train people.

The real reason the mines were closing in South Wales was the switch away from steam to diesel on the railways and ships. 

North Sea gas was making central heating a viable prospect in millions of homes country wide. North Sea gas,unlike the previous town gas, wasn't made from coal so it was a double blow to the coal industry.

The demand was going through the floor and mines were being closed long before Maggie was on the scene 

Instead of trying to cooperate and help to introduce ways of increasing the output of many very inefficient mines that were still working in a Victorian time warp.

The Unions blocked and obstructed every attempt to modernise, using bully boy tactics and secondary picketing. 

Until in the end it became cheaper for the power stations to buy coal from Poland to generate electricity without the constant threat of industrial action.

Arthur Scargill, who wasn't the leader of the miners Union, he was the unelected branch leader of the Yorkshire miners decided to take on the Government. 

And he lost

Edited September 5, 2022 by Vince Green

[Rim Fire]

3 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

On a lighter note....Domestic Solar Panel owners seem to be having a record year, first quarter our FIT readings were so high that the company that pays our FIT payments refused to believe our meter readings and we had to submit photographic evidence, second quarter has paid out £360 which, pretty much, covers our current bill. Our Neighbour, who bought his system just before the FIT Tarrif was dropped, cleared £800 last quarter......

That dont surprise me with the weather we had this summer if ever solar pannels was going to give out a good profit this was the year 

5 hours ago, yates said:

A fair few of the men who worked down the mines back in the day did sweet FA when they were at work. Putting the climatic argument  to one side, a properly managed coal industry may actually work

There was no man i know of that workrd on the face did FA 

[discobob]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

And he lost

He didn't - the workers did - he ended up living a cushy life by all accounts

[harrycatcat1]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

 

There was no man i know of that workrd on the face did FA 

Correct 👍

[yates]

23 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said:

I beg your pardon, "a fair few did sweet FA"  how do you work that out?

As someone who grew up with and had/has numerous friends who were colliers/fitters/electricians who worked down the mines their stories of what they did when they were supposed to be working were legendary. Those of us who were employed in other industries could not believe that they were allowed to get away with their antics. I do not doubt that that were genuine hard working guys who gave everything but there was a certain culture back in the eighties

[ditchman]

if politico's rekon they will open up the old mines...then it proves how stupid and thick they really are

1. there are developments on the land now
2. mine shafts are filled in..(with the demo rubble and steel)
3. most galleries are filled with water
4. props need replacing
5. all the equipment needs to be removed
6. contaminated water needs to be pumped out
7. the water pressure is proberly holding the galleries together
8. there is no winding gear
9. no process areas
10. no miners left under retiring age

the list goes on and on and on

open cast mining is the only option

[yates]

2 minutes ago, ditchman said:

if politico's rekon they will open up the old mines...then it proves how stupid and thick they really are

1. there are developments on the land now
2. mine shafts are filled in..(with the demo rubble and steel)
3. most galleries are filled with water
4. props need replacing
5. all the equipment needs to be removed
6. contaminated water needs to be pumped out
7. the water pressure is proberly holding the galleries together
8. there is no winding gear
9. no process areas
10. no miners left under retiring age

the list goes on and on and on

open cast mining is the only option

Agreed that is the only real option. 

[harrycatcat1]

56 minutes ago, yates said:

As someone who grew up with and had/has numerous friends who were colliers/fitters/electricians who worked down the mines their stories of what they did when they were supposed to be working were legendary. Those of us who were employed in other industries could not believe that they were allowed to get away with their antics. I do not doubt that that were genuine hard working guys who gave everything but there was a certain culture back in the eighties

I worked in pits in Yorkshire and Derbyshire through the 70's and 80's and have first hand experience of the coal face. With regards to fitters and electricians if the machines were working there was little for them to do unless the machines stopped. The easier jobs were "button" lads that used to work at the end of conveyor belts making sure no lumps got stuck. All hell broke loose if production stopped. There wasn't many easy jobs and non on the coal face.

[Lloyd90]

On 04/09/2022 at 07:21, 12gauge82 said:

The government can blame the Ukraine war as much as they wamt, the reality is their ludicrous green policy, we're sitting on an abundance of coal, we should have a publicly owned energy system and we shouldnt have shut our coal fired stations until viable alternatives were up and running. 

Just because there’s coal under the ground doesn’t mean it’s cost effective to dig it up, process it and use it.

 

 

I was in a silver mine just this week, there’s tons of silver sat in the rocks all around … the problem is it would cost more money to extract it from the ore than the silver is worth. 

[yates]

41 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

I worked in pits in Yorkshire and Derbyshire through the 70's and 80's and have first hand experience of the coal face. With regards to fitters and electricians if the machines were working there was little for them to do unless the machines stopped. The easier jobs were "button" lads that used to work at the end of conveyor belts making sure no lumps got stuck. All hell broke loose if production stopped. There wasn't many easy jobs and non on the coal face.

My experiences are with the lads tales/stories from our local colliery’s in South Yorkshire. As I said I know there were decent grafters and in no way mean to insult you. But some of the antics are local legend

[harrycatcat1]

31 minutes ago, yates said:

My experiences are with the lads tales/stories from our local colliery’s in South Yorkshire. As I said I know there were decent grafters and in no way mean to insult you. But some of the antics are local legend

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[old man]

On 04/09/2022 at 18:35, 12gauge82 said:

I'm sure, but does that factor in the decent paying uk jobs it would create in deprived areas, the benefits payments it'd save for unemployed, the UK pounds that would circulate in our economy and most importantly the national security using our own resources would ensure. 

That will never appear on the UK agenda?

On 04/09/2022 at 21:45, Mice! said:

Pretty sure they wanted rid of the miners because of the unions, no miners no mines.

And I've no idea how long it would take to get the mines going again,  never mind train people.

Opencast?

On 05/09/2022 at 08:18, discobob said:

A broken clock tells the right time twice a day

Yes and even a blind hog stumbles across the odd acorn?

[old man]

4 hours ago, yates said:

As someone who grew up with and had/has numerous friends who were colliers/fitters/electricians who worked down the mines their stories of what they did when they were supposed to be working were legendary. Those of us who were employed in other industries could not believe that they were allowed to get away with their antics. I do not doubt that that were genuine hard working guys who gave everything but there was a certain culture back in the eighties

We still have that certain culture alive and kicking?

[Mice!]

24 minutes ago, old man said:

Opencast

They wanted an open cast mine up in the lakes somewhere but I'm sure it got knocked back, possibly by the greens?

3 hours ago, yates said:

My experiences are with the lads tales/stories from our local colliery’s in South Yorkshire. As I said I know there were decent grafters and in no way mean to insult you. But some of the antics are local legend

There won't be a big industry without tales, or folk who are bone idol yet get away with it.

My college tutor worked at British Leyland,  I work in Barrow,  as did my father in law, tales a plenty. 

[Vince Green]

12 hours ago, ditchman said:

if politico's rekon they will open up the old mines...then it proves how stupid and thick they really are

1. there are developments on the land now
2. mine shafts are filled in..(with the demo rubble and steel)
3. most galleries are filled with water
4. props need replacing
5. all the equipment needs to be removed
6. contaminated water needs to be pumped out
7. the water pressure is proberly holding the galleries together
8. there is no winding gear
9. no process areas
10. no miners left under retiring age

the list goes on and on and on

open cast mining is the only option

The old mines are not suitable for modern working practices. They were a throw back to victorian times where men with lamps shovelled out the coal by hand with picks and shovels into carts. Killing themselves slowly in the process 

But the old mines would have flooded and collapsed  years ago.n

Twenty first century now. Automation, robotics and ground penetrating radar now 

 

[harrycatcat1]

On 06/09/2022 at 21:28, Vince Green said:

The old mines are not suitable for modern working practices. They were a throw back to victorian times where men with lamps shovelled out the coal by hand with picks and shovels into carts. Killing themselves slowly in the process 

But the old mines would have flooded and collapsed  years ago.n

Twenty first century now. Automation, robotics and ground penetrating radar now 

 

You are right there will be no old mine workings opening up.

The picture below shows at the bottom left a roadway and the chap on the machine making a new roadway because of the floor lifting or the weight pushing the rings down. This was regular roadway maintenance. 

 

 

[derbyduck]

2 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said:

You are right there will be no old mine workings opening up.

The picture below shows at the bottom left a roadway and the chap on the machine making a new roadway because of the floor lifting or the weight pushing the rings down. This was regular roadway maintenance. 

 

 

the weight coming on Harry ! it happened to me today  ( if you know you know ) lol 

[harrycatcat1]

46 minutes ago, derbyduck said:

the weight coming on Harry ! it happened to me today  ( if you know you know ) lol 

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