Why Couldn't She Just Answer the Question?

[Newbie to this]

32 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

i'll ask again what has it got to do with you all you are you are doing is trolling Henry jumping on the bandwagon did he ask for your opinion  

I'll ask the same of you

19 minutes ago, henry d said:

Strange how a tongue in cheek reply gets the inmates all of a tizz!

I gave what I thought was as full an answer as possible without giving addresses and birth certificates but it wasn't enough for the person asking the question of where I am from. Then Newbie kicks off with a method of denying any scientific theory not backed up with proof, bonkers! 

 for the record, you was the first to ask for proof

Edited December 23, 2022 by Newbie to this

[discobob]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

we have just lost Mel B

😢 That is a shame - good guy

As for Henry D - He is a difficult person because he has a completely different skew on society than the majority, and does go peppering threads and is seen to be antagonistic at times (red rag to a bull type of thing) - but it is an open forum. I think though that his actions do set him up as a target - sort of a quid pro quo.

However, the above was a little bit too much in my eyes.....

[henry d]

18 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

for the record, you was the first to ask for proof

Did I?

"Really? 

Please enlighten us as to where the first humans came from? East Grinstead? Outer space?" (My first reply no request for proof just what your thoughts were)

Your reply... 

"Who knows, and if anyone tries to tell you they know, they are lying. They are just guessing.

So yes really, utter twaddle, it's just an opinion.

Or do you have proof Remind me, when did written records start, was it million of years ago, or maybe the time machine has been invented after all"

 

So the question remains, can we have 100% scientific proof and the answer is no. So we have to weigh up the evidence and I'm not going to Google lots of links I'm sure you can do that yourself, but I am pretty sure that the scientific concensus is that human beings evolved in Africa and eventually left there and spread around the world. Proof 100% is not going to happen and you put that in your argument as a slam dunk, mic drop but it isn't because if you do that for one theory then it should be applied to all, hence the tangent. You don't have an alternative theory which is good otherwise it would be open to the same 100% proof argument and as such I have to agree with @Rim Fire that I am to the best of my knowledge (but not 100% positive) being trolled.

[Rewulf]

54 minutes ago, henry d said:

I have to agree with @Rim Fire that I am to the best of my knowledge (but not 100% positive) being trolled.

Cast your eyes back up to the top of the page and read the title.
When someone asks you where youre from , you generally dont go back a couple of million years to where your ancestors 'may' have originated from  do you ?
I would just say Nottingham , or in your case , Newcastle, see , its easy isnt it  ?
But never let an opportunity go by to sow some discourse and argument eh ?

Then you can say youre being trolled by xenophobic nazis cant you ? 

[Newbie to this]

4 hours ago, henry d said:

Did I?

"Really? 

I'll concede on that, I forgot I asked for proof so early on.

 

4 hours ago, henry d said:

I have to agree with @Rim Fire that I am to the best of my knowledge (but not 100% positive) being trolled.

Possibly, although I'm not admitting to it, but at least I did not insult you or throw around unfounded insinuations.

Can you honestly say the same and not just on this occasion.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Newbie to this

[Dave-G]

3 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

Why are others trolling  on Henry he was in discussion with another member where he came from nothing to do with the few that are trolling him we have just lost Mel B through the very thing that is happening to Henry it's no wonder this forum get a bad rep by other forums .

TC put up a thread its slow i wonder why members just don't want to get involved in case they get slated or it ends up in a row 

I must have missed something - what happened to Mel B?

[Jaymo]

5 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I must have missed something - what happened to Mel B?

He has secretly moved into a little ‘love nest’ that he and Ditchy set up. 
They spend their evenings sharing ‘ginger’. 

[Dave-G]

3 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

He has secretly moved into a little ‘love nest’ that he and Ditchy set up. 
They spend their evenings sharing ‘ginger’. 

And Ditchy? Blimey both of them are very decent good humored well respected members, I truly hope they'll be back soon. There does seem to be some very sensitive stuff going on here recently, I'll have to double check I've dotted all my i's and crossed my t's.

[henry d]

49 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Can you honestly same the same and not just on this occasion.

No idea what that means?

[Jaymo]

6 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

And Ditchy? Blimey both of them are very decent good humored well respected members, I truly hope they'll be back soon. There does seem to be some very sensitive stuff going on here recently, I'll have to double check I've dotted all my i's and crossed my t's.

Nope. Ditchy still here fortunately. 
That is until he receives yet another ban 🤣

[Dave-G]

2 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Nope. Ditchy still here fortunately. 
That is until he receives yet another ban 🤣

Ah thanks, sorry I miss read...

I'd be interested if someone sends me a PM about what went on. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Dave-G

[Rim Fire]

1 minute ago, Dave-G said:

Ah thanks, sorry I miss read...

Yep ditchy still here Mel is taking a back seat he don't need the nastiness that seems to go with every thread that is posted you could post up  posting merry xmas and it would end in an argument  

[Dave-G]

2 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

Yep ditchy still here Mel is taking a back seat he don't need the nastiness that seems to go with every thread that is posted you could post up  posting merry xmas and it would end in an argument  

Shame - I've stopped letting the usual antagonists wind me up now.

[discobob]

26 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

posting merry xmas

HOLIDAY SEASON - Your an IST

😆

[enfieldspares]

23 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I try to point out the huge differences within the continent of Africa, and the various tribes and cultures they encompass, he says they are ALL my people.

Hmm! Maybe now twenty years ago (2002-2006) I lived in Paris with one, then two, Nigerian girls. We all at times have our own cross to bear. They were both Edo, from Benin City where we Brits in 1897 looted the bronzes from that are now going back.

A people that had dealt and traded with the Dutch, the Portuguese and the Brits and who were pretty much the last men standing in Africa who had not fallen under colonial control. Until the Lever Brothers wanted the control of the palm oil for cheap soap. 

At which time Lever persuades Parliament to eliminate the middleman, the Oba of Benin, and seize the territory to get the palm oil cheaper without paying the Oba his tariffs and duties. Hence the Benin "Expedition" and subsequent events.

Anyway I was stood on the Champ de Mars with one of them, Naomi, when a coach full of African American tourists arrive. All quite "large" shall we say. Some grossly so.

One of them barges past Naomi and shoves her as he does. Oh dear! She, then twenty something and slim but beautifully formed, shouts out after them "Look at these people. They do not know how to behave. But that is not their fault as they are all, all of them, slaves or the descendants of slaves."

You could have cut the silence with a knife. I just looked at Naomi and responded "Yes. You tell them like it is girl." So this "my people" is nonsense really. For her tribe, the Edo from Benin City and their still traditional rulers the Obas of Benin traded not only ivory and spices and palm oil but also traded people from other conquered tribes. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by enfieldspares

[Vince Green]

26 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Hmm! Maybe now twenty years ago (2002-2006) I lived in Paris with one, then two, Nigerian girls. We all at times have our own cross to bear. They were both Edo, from Benin City where we Brits in 1897 looted the bronzes from that are now going back.

A people that had dealt and traded with the Dutch, the Portuguese and the Brits and who were pretty much the last men standing in Africa who had not fallen under colonial control. Until the Lever Brothers wanted the control of the palm oil for cheap soap. 

At which time Lever persuades Parliament to eliminate the middleman, the Oba of Benin, and seize the territory to get the palm oil cheaper without paying the Oba his tariffs and duties. Hence the Benin "Expedition" and subsequent events.

Anyway I was stood on the Champ de Mars with one of them, Naomi, when a coach full of African American tourists arrive. All quite "large" shall we say. Some grossly so.

One of them barges past Naomi and shoves her as he does. Oh dear! She, then twenty something and slim but beautifully formed, shouts out after them "Look at these people. They do not know how to behave. But that is not their fault as they are all, all of them, slaves or the descendants of slaves."

You could have cut the silence with a knife. I just looked at Naomi and responded "Yes. You tell them like it is girl." So this "my people" is nonsense really. For her tribe, the Edo from Benin City and their still traditional rulers the Obas of Benin traded not only ivory and spices and palm oil but also traded people from other conquered tribes. 

Interesting post thanks

Years ago I used to work with a Nigerian girl called Benine, never knew where the name came from

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, henry d said:

No idea what that means?

It should say, "say the same", not same the same.

But I think you probably knew that, yet I'm the troll 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

I lived in Paris with one, then two, Nigerian girls.

Greedy 😄

 

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

but also traded people from other conquered tribes. 

Much of the disharmony between various inhabitants of the vast continent of Africa, is blamed on the interference of the 'white man'.
There is without a doubt much truth in this , but long before Europeans landed there in any numbers , the level of infighting , genocide and enslavement was well established.
In my opinion , this is a direct contributing factor on their slow level of technological and cultural advancement.

As much as Europeans and Asians have been very good at murdering each other, the African peoples have been their own worst enemies by far.

[henry d]

25 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

It should say, "say the same", not same the same.

But I think you probably knew that, yet I'm the troll 

No, I genuinely didn't have a clue what you meant. 

However like I said it was just a theory and as I have no proof then it must be "twaddle" according to your twaddle or proof dichotomy, so I don't think anything else needs to be said. 

[Newbie to this]

9 minutes ago, henry d said:

No, I genuinely didn't have a clue what you meant. 

However like I said it was just a theory and as I have no proof then it must be "twaddle" according to your twaddle or proof dichotomy, so I don't think anything else needs to be said. 

Thought not.

[enfieldspares]

24 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

In my opinion , this is a direct contributing factor on their slow level of technological and cultural advancement.

There's a lot of truth in slavery (or "cheap labour") holding back, retarding, technological advancement. All "cheap labour" be it the UK in past times especially the gun trade, in the American South and etc., or in West Africa that capturing and selling slaves was "easier" to make an income than was other activity.

What disharmony was created by the white man in Africa (and we did) is that the continent was divided for the benefit of the colonial powers on artificial borders that bore no true relationship to the demographic of the region.

Thus the "nonsense" of the Gambia being a country thirty miles wide but two hundred miles long surrounded by Senegal. In Nigeria the country has to the North a muslim population that has more in common with the peoples of Niger than to the peoples of the rest of Nigeria.

So the colonial system (as did the Treaty of Versailles in Europe in 1919 with ethnic Germans in Poland and the Sudetenland) by imposing borders based on other than ethnicity did create problems of countries with tribal minorities (often that minority then being supported by the colonial power to rule the country) in a country with a larger majority not of the same tribe. Hutu vs Tutsi is a case in point!

In the UK it might be argued we had the same "imposed" on Scotland with a Queen's English speaking, Eton and Harron educated English upper class owning most of the land and holding most of the power in the 19th Century through to the early 20th Century. 

Slavery did Africa little favour. Either in the immediate short term for those sold as slaves nor for the African rulers and their peoples in the continent itself as, as said, it held back development of other sources of income and development of technological advancement.

 

 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

There's a lot of truth in slavery (or "cheap labour") holding back, retarding, technological advancement. All "cheap labour" be it the UK in past times especially the gun trade, in the American South and etc., or in West Africa that capturing and selling slaves was "easier" to make an income than was other activity.

Not quite what I meant , but I dont disagree with your analysis.
My point was , capturing slaves usually involves a violent action, raid , war  ect , where slaves are the by product, Germany and Russia did it as late as WW2, more a question of economics than intent, but while said violent actions are ongoing (and there are certain provisos I wont go into here as it breaches forum policy) in the case of the sub Saharan African continent, it kept them back from any real technological advances for millennia, as they were constantly trying to exterminate each other.

1 hour ago, enfieldspares said:

So the colonial system (as did the Treaty of Versailles in Europe in 1919 with ethnic Germans in Poland and the Sudetenland) by imposing borders based on other than ethnicity did create problems of countries with tribal minorities (often that minority then being supported by the colonial power to rule the country) in a country with a larger majority not of the same tribe. Hutu vs Tutsi is a case in point!

Its a recognised Western powers tactic , divide and conquer, weve used it in India , the ME ,Africa and China , and still use it today, with the consequences of it lasting for generations.

[Yellow Bear]

46 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Its a recognised Western powers tactic , divide and conquer, weve used it in India , the ME ,Africa and China , and still use it today, with the consequences of it lasting for generations.

It started with the Greeks and Romans who, IIRC, learned it from the Egyptians and Persians of North Africa and what is now Syria and Israel.

[Rem260]

16 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

It started with the Greeks and Romans who, IIRC, learned it from the Egyptians and Persians of North Africa and what is now Syria and Israel.

Your not allowed to go back that far in history. You're are only allowed to cite the evils of white Caucasian countries. All the rest doesn't count.

[Penelope]

On 22/12/2022 at 12:44, Rewulf said:

How evolutionary , Im surprised you didnt say the garden of Eden 😄

Joking apart, I have a mixed race friend (white Irish mother , Caribbean father) who has a peculiar fascination with Africa.
He refers to them as 'My people' despite never having been to Africa , the Caribbean , or indeed Ireland ?

I try to point out the huge differences within the continent of Africa, and the various tribes and cultures they encompass, he says they are ALL my people.
Hes either on a massive virtue signal, or is clearly going a bit doo lally, its a bit odd why he doesnt choose to embrace the white side of his ancestry ?

Anyway Ive told him to get over there, and 'embrace' the culture of all of 'his' people , but dont carry any cash or jewellery 

I've never met a mixed race individual who does.