Poor Shot Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: They are the paying guns, so you want to change what people watching the TV see by using younger shooters? Exactly that. Any chance for the sport to appear on mainstream television is a chance to dispel some of the clichés and myths associated with the sport. Putting on a day with some young, smart looking guns would go a long way towards swaying those who are ambivalent towards shooting away from the view that shooting is only for the old and rich, the Lords and the ladies. Would have been a perfect opportunity for BASC to showcase their young shots program. A ladies day would also have gone along way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Poor Shot said: Exactly that. Any chance for the sport to appear on mainstream television is a chance to dispel some of the clichés and myths associated with the sport. Putting on a day with some young, smart looking guns would go a long way towards swaying those who are ambivalent towards shooting away from the view that shooting is only for the old and rich, the Lords and the ladies. Would have been a perfect opportunity for BASC to showcase their young shots program. A ladies day would also have gone along way. Not cliches or myths, just FACTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: Exactly that. Any chance for the sport to appear on mainstream television is a chance to dispel some of the clichés and myths associated with the sport. Putting on a day with some young, smart looking guns would go a long way towards swaying those who are ambivalent towards shooting away from the view that shooting is only for the old and rich, the Lords and the ladies. Would have been a perfect opportunity for BASC to showcase their young shots program. A ladies day would also have gone along way. As TC has said, they aren’t really myths or cliches. The programme featured a shooting estate where I’m assuming the guns were paying at least £40 per bird, not really a cost your average working man can afford regardless of age, which is why the country is covered in DIY driven syndicates which are much more affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Hello, I thought it put shooting and conservation in a good way as well as income for farmers/land owners and the local economy with employment for the shoot staff and pickers up /beaters , like the young gamekeeper said, it's a good way of country life, and long may it continue 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 what did people expect to see Johnny is a multi millionaire same as most of the neighbouring estate owners been friends with Steve for over 30yrs about the only one on there with a life close to normal bbc were clearly out to confirm it’s just fun for the rich and they succeeded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not cliches or myths, just FACTS! I get it but you've missed the point of my comment. It was a chance to show that shooting can also be for people who aren't a retired director of a branch of chartered accountants. The fact that 80% of days are bought by old rich blokes shouldn't have prevented us from showing the BBC audience that the sport is inclusive of everyone in society. I'm young, grew up in poverty and work for a living, I still buy days on peg (Albeit not on a massive scale). A little joined up thinking would have gone a long way towards swaying those members of the public who are ambivalent towards shooting a little more to the shooting side rather than reinforcing the views that the anti shooters have been peddling for years. You'd be kidding yourself if you think that any other sport/activity/industry doesn't put on the face that it's wants the audience to see when the camera crews are in town. In a past employment we had a part of a channel 5 documentary filmed in our facilty. It was highly coordinated to ensure that the cameras only filmed what the company wanted them to. Only certain people were interviewed and some were even relocated for the day to ensure that the background working views of the interviews looked exactly how the company wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, clangerman said: what did people expect to see Johnny is a multi millionaire same as most of the neighbouring estate owners been friends with Steve for over 30yrs about the only one on there with a life close to normal bbc were clearly out to confirm it’s just fun for the rich and they succeeded Even Steve said on the show it’s becoming more and more expensive, and going back to being exclusive for the very wealthy… he ain’t wrong. I’m glad to see the camera captured by best side 👀🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I thought it was quite a good balanced view hopefully it might make a few people think at shooting at different way we will always have the antis and the ignorant and the packhams but I thought it put us in a better light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I think it focused to much on the economy, where was the benefit to wildlife, the benefits of eating game meat etc. It was a good review and a good step to get it on mainstream TV but it's a small step. But in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoyman Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 More balanced than expected, Showed the re-wilders as a bit sandal wearing folksy. 4K for the shooting rights on their estate lost but eco -tourism replacing it being more profitable. Hope my farmer wasn't watching ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 The whole programme was typical BBC anti biased, pushing the idea that pheasant rearing is responsible for spreading avian flu and therefore should be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, London Best said: The whole programme was typical BBC anti biased, pushing the idea that pheasant rearing is responsible for spreading avian flu and therefore should be stopped. That eco warrior vegan woman, who’s 12,000 acres contains 4 pigs that they don’t even pay someone to look after, looked like she was physically unwell… she could do with eating one of those pigs. Compare that with the shooting estate that supplied over 100 jobs, it was a joke of a comparison. That bloke who wanted to ban releasing pheasants whilst admitting he had no evidence it would help at all, was another idiot… obviously an anti in the closet, but didn’t want to come out and say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Why are we not surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: That eco warrior vegan woman, who’s 12,000 acres contains 4 pigs that they don’t even pay someone to look after, looked like she was physically unwell… she could do with eating one of those pigs. Compare that with the shooting estate that supplied over 100 jobs, it was a joke of a comparison. That bloke who wanted to ban releasing pheasants whilst admitting he had no evidence it would help at all, was another idiot… obviously an anti in the closet, but didn’t want to come out and say it. All well and good until her old dad's money runs out. I can't see that the estate will earn even a fraction of the money that shoots and tenant farms will have brought it. Unless there is a market for inviting people to come look at and take pictures of your beaver? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Bit disappointed they did not show the pheasants entering the food chain, but i genuinely expected a far worse programme than the one we got so not bad is my reply! Re the eco estate, have a look and see what you think Bamff Ecotourism – Where Wild Things Are Cheers Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jall25 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 It was ok - but really missed the main points - If they came to our little shoot we would blow that rewilding project out of the water for biodiversity Also bit of an own goal not eating pheasant on the shoot day ! I thought anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: It was a chance to show that shooting can also be for people who aren't a retired director of a branch of chartered accountants. The fact that 80% of days are bought by old rich blokes shouldn't have prevented us from showing the BBC audience that the sport is inclusive of everyone in society. I'm young, grew up in poverty and work for a living, I still buy days on peg (Albeit not on a massive scale). I didn't watch it and won't, can't stand the program. I've have been lucky enough to shoot at The Rhug Estate and i'm certainly none of the above and none of the guns i went with are. Certainly around us at the moment three if not four big shooting estates are doing a few affordable 100/150 bird days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 10 hours ago, London Best said: Why are we not surprised? Well I wasn't surprised at all, the BBC in its perceived wisdom managed to confirm to their viewers that pheasant shooting is an expensive elitist sport. Good to see the number of jobs on the big estate, but nothing to portray a balanced argument. As stated above, the lass with 4 pigs was a few bricks short of a hod full and she managed to convince her family to close down the shooting on the estate when she moved back home. Presumably because she had failed to make a go of anything on her own! Yes it would have been a marvellous opportunity to get young poor people on the screens shooting pheasants, but that would have been a false picture that would very easily been shot out of the water by the anti brigade. Oh and Arnie looked good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 My issue was that the programme had an obvious agenda: that pheasant shooting is spreading bird flu. They kept bringing it up throughout the entire feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca2017 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 The only positive for me was they did get across the impact on the people involved in shooting. The interviews with the keeper, the 2 under keepers, the gundog trainer and the lady providing the food, as well as the old bird who had taken up beating. The programme just wont change views of those are for or against shooting. Don't think the antis will be bothered about the rural economy or the impact of people who enjoy the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 13 hours ago, decoyman said: More balanced than expected, Showed the re-wilders as a bit sandal wearing folksy. 4K for the shooting rights on their estate lost but eco -tourism replacing it being more profitable. Hope my farmer wasn't watching ! I think that worked out at something like £64 a day for the guns …. BS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harris Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 It was blatantly obvious that Tom Heap is anti shooting . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Smokersmith said: I think that worked out at something like £64 a day for the guns …. BS! The 4K was obviously what the (ex) syndicate paid in ground rent for the 1300 acres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Poor Shot said: All well and good until her old dad's money runs out. I can't see that the estate will earn even a fraction of the money that shoots and tenant farms will have brought it. Unless there is a market for inviting people to come look at and take pictures of your beaver? 🤔 I hope it all works out for her as it looked as though the roof is going to need some big dosh spending on it before much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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