Vince Green Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, enfieldspares said: We could have returned them to France under the Dublin Accord that was in force between EU Member States. We didn't. The French have been extremely careful not to document them so that there is no proof they were ever in France. Sneaky but effective. All the French say is how do we know they didn't come from Belgium or Holland. Or dropped off from a Spanish fishing trawler ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Surely we have the technology to see them leaving France and follow every part of their journey from the moment they enter the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Good shot? said: Surely we have the technology to see them leaving France and follow every part of their journey from the moment they enter the water. Possibly, but possibly not very easily with all of the traffic in the channel and them in small rubber boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 Would France be able to refuse to accept the boat people if we could prove they had left from their coast? The fact that French vessels had escorted the illegal immigrants to British waters means nothing. What would happen if we “saved” for humanitarian reasons, the boat passengers whilst in French waters and then returned them to their launching point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, Good shot? said: Would France be able to refuse to accept the boat people if we could prove they had left from their coast? The fact that French vessels had escorted the illegal immigrants to British waters means nothing. What would happen if we “saved” for humanitarian reasons, the boat passengers whilst in French waters and then returned them to their launching point? Interesting. And fair comment, and destroy there dinghy. Surely they can only afford. So many crossing. The French are just escorting them into English waters. After all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 hours ago, discobob said: Well put Grant do you want my design of a fur lined tin foil cap - it is ideal for the weather we are having. We are going through the greatest change in living history with a great deal of social engineering happening that is "all in plain sight" but is being obscured by other things that are out there for distraction purposes. Things like Digital ID, CBDC, 15 minute Cities, LTN's and ultimately I think it will end up with Universal Basic Income for all, with no property ownership. Just reading that Govt want to have access to encrypted text services. To scan for content (whatsapp). It's more like China, Russia and Iran than a western democracy. Whichever side of the small boat debate your on the threat to our freedom and standards is ever present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, oowee said: Whichever side of the small boat debate your on the threat to our freedom and standards is ever present. I'm far more worried about the threat to our freedom and standards from uncontrolled mass immigration than I am from anything the the (present) Gov't may do. 1 hour ago, oowee said: Just reading that Govt want to have access to encrypted text services. Why does any normal law abiding person need to send encrypted texts? They're welcome to have a good laugh at anything I've ever sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 hours ago, oowee said: Just reading that Govt want to have access to encrypted text services. To scan for content (whatsapp). It's more like China, Russia and Iran than a western democracy. Whichever side of the small boat debate your on the threat to our freedom and standards is ever present. I think this is very worrying. While it's true most have nothing to hide, it's got nothing to do with government able to snoop on whoever they choose at will. I've nothing to hide but do I want government having a listening device in my living room while I have private conversations, or in my bathroom incase I say something inappropriate while taking a dump, or in my bedroom. Having nothing to hide is no reason for government being given access to our personal lives and doesn't belong in a free society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Having nothing to hide is no reason for government being given access to our personal lives and doesn't belong in a free society. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Hello, I don't think macron cares that much on stopping the boat people as long as they leave France by any means, I have not seen the French government put them up in hotels like UK, as for the French police they must be waving them good by , dare I say bribed 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: I have not seen the French government put them up in hotels like UK Which begs the question, why are we??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 14 hours ago, oowee said: Just reading that Govt want to have access to encrypted text services. To scan for content (whatsapp). It's more like China, Russia and Iran than a western democracy. Whichever side of the small boat debate your on the threat to our freedom and standards is ever present. a messaging company - Signal - has threatened to abandon the UK market because UK Gov are attempting to force this on them. The trouble is that they can then start running AI and algorithms against them and if they are slightly wrong and make 2+2=5 for you then you will be up the swanee without a paddle boat. With Digital ID and CBDC you can be cancelled in an instant. I have mate who works irregular, but when he does he gets large payments into his account (or this is what we can only assume) and has had his account locked out for months at a time. Twice this has happened with no explanation and the bank and they basically wouldn't engage with him!! 12 hours ago, Wymondley said: I'm far more worried about the threat to our freedom and standards from uncontrolled mass immigration than I am from anything the the (present) Gov't may do. Why does any normal law abiding person need to send encrypted texts? They're welcome to have a good laugh at anything I've ever sent. Why does any law abiding benign government want access to everyone's encrypted emails/messages is the main question?? You will become a product for them. As I said above, with Digital ID, CBDC, access to all your communications and track your location with your phone that is so handy to use, they will have a complete 360 degree view of you. 1 hour ago, Newbie to this said: This agreed 22 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Which begs the question, why are we??? Perhaps because they don't want them roaming the streets as gangs?? Because our Gov are following the rules by the letter of the law? Also, the government has a money tree in a largely compliant population... I was informed last night that there is a country Hall near where I live, where they are constructing accommodation from shipping containers for the housing of migrants - so they can now be placed anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 https://order-order.com/2023/03/09/home-office-civil-servants-actively-and-openly-oppose-suellas-policies/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) The only reason for access personal (encrypted) messages is control. Imagine a scenario where a manufactured virus escapes into the wild from a Biolab funded by a degenerate section of world society, the virus relatively weak but combined with the flu can kill those with weakened immune systems. Government wants to push a end of the world scenario, remove freedoms, isolate people min order to limit the spread of the virus and are shouting that the virus is deadly and we have to treat it as such, even though this is false. Government then decides to authorise immunisation with an ineffective anti-virus, which also has a side efect of causing allergic reactions, heart damage and deaths as well as a myriad of other less side effects such as causing infertility. However, those who know the truth (that the virus is a cold and your immune system can cope with it and the anti virus kills more young people than the virus) can communicate it to others through Telegram, Signal, Wickr and discuss the truth with others and encourage and help others to understand what is being presented is nothing but a lie and as a result 30% refuse the propaganda and anti-virus long enough for the truth and science to start to come out confirming the lies previously presented. Now try to imagine a world where people are not able to communicate with each other as apps, video's and chats cannot occur without government having access and ability to censure, delete messages, apps etc, remove people for non-conformation to goverment message etc. and the resulting catasrophe which would result and which was only partially avoided in the previous scenario. Anyone against encryption is simply wrong! Bear in mind, if encryption is bad, why are all government messages etc encrypted on government issue smart phones/computers and why are all politicians messages, chats, etc not available for public consumption and why do they use encryted services such as Whatsapp (Hancock et al) to hide their machinations, plans and disrespect for the public. Understand, if the government does it but does not want you to do the same, they are not looking after your interests, they are looking after theirs! 23 minutes ago, Rewulf said: https://order-order.com/2023/03/09/home-office-civil-servants-actively-and-openly-oppose-suellas-policies/ I feel that whilst I don't like the USA system any better than ours, being able to replace a whole slew of civil servants on winning an election may be a good way to clear out those in the civil service who are no longer willing to be servents of the public, but instead think they are more important and should dictate policy. Edited March 10, 2023 by Stonepark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Apparently the EU is full of 'nazis' https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11842393/amp/Macron-REFUSE-migrants-land-Britain-small-boats.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16784422731917&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-11842393%2FMacron-REFUSE-migrants-land-Britain-small-boats.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: https://order-order.com/2023/03/09/home-office-civil-servants-actively-and-openly-oppose-suellas-policies/ Good post. I have been of the belief for a long time that factions in the Civil Service are out of control Edited March 10, 2023 by Vince Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Also from Guido. ' It takes a rare type of noodle to liken the British Government to Hitler’s, so the Commons must count itself blessed by the election of Imran Hussain. We might not have had anyone quite so soft-headed to say what he said in the last moments of PMQs. To be “absolutely clear,” he said with an absolute lack of clarity, the Government’s new proposals on the small boats are at the same time, “far-right,” “dystopian,” and “appeasing”. What a clash of ideas in those few words. If and when the migrants are taken out of their hotels and housed in holiday camps, the idiocracy will liken Butlins to Birkenau and Imran Hussein will feel he is in the mainstream of opinion. The Nazi links are too tempting. Even when they are ridiculous they are irresistible. Jews, we will recall, weren’t risking everything to get into Nazi Germany. The LOTO must have felt he’d had a better day by asking a number of short questions he knew had lamentable answers. How many failed asylum seekers had been sent back whence they had come? Oh, we’ve almost doubled the number of people sent back, Rishi Sunak said. “To two,” we scoffed in the gallery. And that wasn’t far off. LOTO said, “The number is 21. Out of 18,000.” And how many asylum applications had been processed – it had been 4%, what was it now? Oh, our nimble PM said, we had 6,000 more of something or other, and all sorts of agreements with other countries to take back their huddled masses. Yes, but how many asylum applications had been processed? LOTO claimed it had gone from 4% to under 1%. “From the unacceptable to the almost non-existent.” (Is there really no one in his office who can turn a phrase?)' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64909510 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 minute ago, islandgun said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64909510 Be better to use that £200 million in paying them to go back to France on Euro star with 20 grand in their pocket, after of course taking their biometrics and signing a contract to never return. Is that nearly half a billion we've given France now to stop them? Have they stopped ANY? A small aside, here's another way to get into the country, earn money, and lose weight, what's not to like? https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/old-bailey-trial-told-nigerian-politician-flew-man-to-uk-to-harvest-organ-because-he-didnt-want-relative-to-face-transplant-risk-12829564?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#aoh=16784480662131&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fold-bailey-trial-told-nigerian-politician-flew-man-to-uk-to-harvest-organ-because-he-didnt-want-relative-to-face-transplant-risk-12829564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 On 07/03/2023 at 22:54, ditchman said: ....what was your head count eh ? ****ed if I know, what a stupid question ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 https://youtu.be/dWMzHjGEtgM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, johnphilip said: https://youtu.be/dWMzHjGEtgM If true that's correct they should simply be sacked with immediate effect. They're literally refusing to do their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Just another boost to the French economy? They will take the money and keep easing them into the boats? Almost a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: If true that's correct they should simply be sacked with immediate effect. They're literally refusing to do their job. It's not. Now the Tory controlled BBC have been forced to suspend Lineker as a contractor!!! Where will this nonsense end? We should not stand in silent witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: If true that's correct they should simply be sacked with immediate effect. They're literally refusing to do their job. That's been going on for a very long time. They always opt for the decision that means the least work for them. Most of the migrants just get rubber stamped through on the nod because to actually investigate their claims would be too much effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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