Dave-G Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Whilst admitting I know next to nothing about Drones - might I be wrong to assume their cameras would be searching for 'ground activity? I'm slightly suspicious about why it would have had a camera viewing the sky above its rear and that its another propaganda effort to paint Russia as bad again? May I just add that I'm on neither side of that war's propaganda efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) These big and very expensive drones are 'piloted' by a remote team (I believe that drone has team of two) who in effect fly it - but from behind a desk, probably somewhere in the USA. I would expect it to have a range of cameras to make the flying experience for the two 'desk pilots' as realistic as reasonably possible and that would include local awareness cameras. Why would having a camera looking upwards/backwards be 'suspicious'. Is it suspicious that people have dashcams both forwards and backwards? Edited March 18, 2023 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: These big and very expensive drones are 'piloted' by a remote team (I believe that drone has team of two) who in effect fly it - but from behind a desk, probably somewhere in the USA. I would expect it to have a range of cameras to make the flying experience for the two 'desk pilots' as realistic as reasonably possible and that would include local awareness cameras. Why would having a camera looking upwards/backwards be 'suspicious'. Is it suspicious that people have dashcams both forwards and backwards? No, but a car is much more likely to be rear ended than an aircraft, and the road is the only area of interest. And a forwards only flying aircraft would of course need to see ahead but I hadn't considered how use for a rear facing camera to see where its already been Edited March 18, 2023 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 I am assuming (and I know little about it) that when landing/taking off/manoevering on the ground, it may be advantageous, but in anycase, giving the remote pilots the full realistic view would seem sensible. Camera can be very cheap compared to a drone system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dave-G said: No, but a car is much more likely to be rear ended than an aircraft. Yes, but as old hat as they are, getting rear ended by a 20mm SUU hurts a damn sight more than someone's Vauxhall and is best avoided if you can 'see' it coming. Something more current is really, really going to hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Having a Drone costing a tad more that your local hospital its no surprise to me it won't have cameras coverage 360. And the with ability to drop a **** on a moving mini metro at over a mile high it's got some technical stuff on board. Camera is pretty low tech in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Hmm, thinking a bit more on the topic, the drone was already being shadowed/harassed - so its operators would be much more likely to be monitoring 360. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dougy said: Having a Drone costing a tad more that your local hospital its no surprise to me it won't have cameras coverage 360. And the with ability to drop a **** on a moving mini metro at over a mile high it's got some technical stuff on board. Camera is pretty low tech in comparison. And its pretty cool footage. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, oowee said: And its pretty cool footage. 🙂 Very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Dave-G said: No, but a car is much more likely to be rear ended than an aircraft, and the road is the only area of interest. And a forwards only flying aircraft would of course need to see ahead but I hadn't considered how use for a rear facing camera to see where its already been One to see what you are approaching and the other, rearwards, too see what the reaction is to you when you've passed. Especially if you've just said "hello" with something nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Dougy said: Camera is pretty low tech in comparison. The official US gov stance is that they were monitoring the battlefield, this is somewhat surprising considering the nearest front line is some 200 miles away from where it was attacked ?I realise the MQ9 has a sensor suite, and some nifty cameras , but 200 miles ?MQ 9 s can be armed with short range weapons, and also, smaller drones...The Americans seem rather short on outrage too, one of their military aircraft has been bought down by 'the enemy' and it seems the matter is already closed ?It isnt really a secret any more that the US/NATO is assisting Ukraine with targeting intelligence, yet there are still plenty on here who still refuse to accept this as a a proxy war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 One of the Americans Drones was operating without lights, without transponder and without flight plan collecting targeting data for Ukraine to use against Russia. The Americans know this, the Russians know this and anyone with common sense knows this. Russia has finally had enough and downed it without firing a shot (unlike the USA and the balloons) and sent a message that this will not be tolerated any longer. Latest Black sea drone flight paths are now 150km further away from Crimea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Again while not taking sides here ,but what would uncle sams reaction be if the russians sent a similar drone over U.S.A. sensitive areas . Pot kettle etc.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, Jega said: Again while not taking sides here ,but what would uncle sams reaction be if the russians sent a similar drone over U.S.A. sensitive areas . Pot kettle etc.......... It was over international waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, JohnfromUK said: It was over international waters. Still very close to a sensitive area though John and probably ill advised given the on-going tensions in that area . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, Stonepark said: One of the Americans Drones was operating without lights, without transponder and without flight plan collecting targeting data for Ukraine to use against Russia. The Americans know this, the Russians know this and anyone with common sense knows this. Russia has finally had enough and downed it without firing a shot (unlike the USA and the balloons) and sent a message that this will not be tolerated any longer. Latest Black sea drone flight paths are now 150km further away from Crimea. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, enfieldspares said: This. There is a BIG difference: The balloons shot down over America had passed over American territories and were shot down in American airspace where it had no right to be. The drone was in international airspace over international waters where it had a perfect right to be - regardless of what (passive activities) it may have been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Dave-G said: Whilst admitting I know next to nothing about Drones - might I be wrong to assume their cameras would be searching for 'ground activity? I'm slightly suspicious about why it would have had a camera viewing the sky above its rear and that its another propaganda effort to paint Russia as bad again? May I just add that I'm on neither side of that war's propaganda efforts. Seeing as this situation had been go in on for over half an hour it's hardly surprising the the main camera which is housed in a ball turret under the chin would be turned round towards the two jets that had been harassing the drone and dumping fuel over it. Does Russia need to be painted bad again after the atrocities and war crimes that have been dumped on the Ukrainian people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Dave-G said: Whilst admitting I know next to nothing about Drones - might I be wrong to assume their cameras would be searching for 'ground activity? I'm slightly suspicious about why it would have had a camera viewing the sky above its rear and that its another propaganda effort to paint Russia as bad again? May I just add that I'm on neither side of that war's propaganda efforts. Gordon Bennett! The beauty of a drone is that a whole shedload of operators can be monitoring and working all of the sensors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 51 minutes ago, Stonepark said: One of the Americans Drones was operating without lights, without transponder and without flight plan collecting targeting data for Ukraine to use against Russia. The Americans know this, the Russians know this and anyone with common sense knows this. Russia has finally had enough and downed it without firing a shot (unlike the USA and the balloons) and sent a message that this will not be tolerated any longer. Latest Black sea drone flight paths are now 150km further away from Crimea. So where have all these gems of proven data sprung from. ? Have you actually watched the footage because the incident happened in broad daylight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: The official US gov stance is that they were monitoring the battlefield, this is somewhat surprising considering the nearest front line is some 200 miles away from where it was attacked ?I realise the MQ9 has a sensor suite, and some nifty cameras , but 200 miles ?MQ 9 s can be armed with short range weapons, and also, smaller drones...The Americans seem rather short on outrage too, one of their military aircraft has been bought down by 'the enemy' and it seems the matter is already closed ?It isnt really a secret any more that the US/NATO is assisting Ukraine with targeting intelligence, yet there are still plenty on here who still refuse to accept this as a a proxy war. Russia started the war, so it is not a US / NATO proxy war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 hours ago, ordnance said: Russia started the war, so it is not a US / NATO proxy war. Still partoting the MSM line.... Who caused the coup in Ukraine.. USA Who illegally invaded and spent spent 8 years shelling (making war) on the Donbass... Ukraine with USA and West support. Who sent in peace keeping troops to stabilise the Donbass... Russia Who openly admitted the Minsk accords were nothing more than an attempt allow time to build up an army capable of invading the Donbass and taking control, Ukraine with USA and West support. Who came into the Donbass at the request of the legitimate government... Russia All Russia has done is turn a one sided war into a 2 sided war, they didn't start it, but they are going to finish it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 19, 2023 Report Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Stonepark said: Still partoting the MSM line.... Who caused the coup in Ukraine.. USA Who illegally invaded and spent spent 8 years shelling (making war) on the Donbass... Ukraine with USA and West support. Who sent in peace keeping troops to stabilise the Donbass... Russia Who openly admitted the Minsk accords were nothing more than an attempt allow time to build up an army capable of invading the Donbass and taking control, Ukraine with USA and West support. Who came into the Donbass at the request of the legitimate government... Russia All Russia has done is turn a one sided war into a 2 sided war, they didn't start it, but they are going to finish it. Maybe in your alternative universe 🛸 Edited March 19, 2023 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 18/03/2023 at 12:49, Dave-G said: Whilst admitting I know next to nothing about Drones - might I be wrong to assume their cameras would be searching for 'ground activity? I'm slightly suspicious about why it would have had a camera viewing the sky above its rear and that its another propaganda effort to paint Russia as bad again? May I just add that I'm on neither side of that war's propaganda efforts. A good film to watch to show how drones operate. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2057392/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 18/03/2023 at 20:22, ordnance said: Russia started the war, so it is not a US / NATO proxy war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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