Ratlegs Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 Well said that man quite agree with Ditchy as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Vince Green said: it's always about somebody wanting money Correct. However, they go on about wanting Britain to pay 'reparations' (otherwise known as cash) quite forgetting the vast amounts of foreign aid Britain has paid over the years and continues to pay. If they insist on reparations for past events, we should rename past (and present) foreign aid as 'reparations'. Edited April 12, 2023 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 If we did do reparations, who would we give it to - because it is supposed to be all about putting someone back in their original condition. Well, that would mean that all of these descendants would not have existed - therefore nothing can be paid out to them - Just like the guy in the video put forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) I've lived in West Africa and have been to Bunce Island where the Africans brought their surplus children to sell to the slavers. People depict slavery as being massively cruel. Certainly its not a nice concept. The truth is, slaves were very expensive and because they had a value they were treated better than English agricultural workers of the same era who led shocking lives. How about some reparations for my agricultural ancestors and the way they were treated ? Edited April 12, 2023 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 I don’t think the BBC will show that. Too much like the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, discobob said: If we did do reparations 'Reparations' is really the wrong word - but we use it because it is the word generally used by those demanding 'payment'. In fact it is really compensation they are after; compensation for the various 'ills' of slavery that their ancestors underwent. As the speaker in the debate above says, it was the ancestors who suffered - and not the present descendants, who have often done very well since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I've lived in West Africa and have been to Bunce Island where the Africans brought their surplus children to sell to the slavers. People depict slavery as being massively cruel. Certainly its not a nice concept. The truth is, slaves were very expensive and because they had a value they were treated better than English agricultural workers of the same era who led shocking lives. How about some reparations for my agricultural ancestors and the way they were treated ? Interesting............verbal discoarse on PWatch is always informative...i dont post to insite and look for reaction...i post (mostly) for debate and your post proves that....everyday is a skool day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: not the present descendants, who have often done very well since. Actually that's very true and should be kept in mind. The have massively benefitted from their ancestors being slaves. It's an unpopular belief I know but having seen West Africa as well as the plantation houses in the Southern States of America. I believe the slaves themselves lived longer and better lives as slaves than they would in a village in West Africa. It depends how you define slavery. There were thousands of white 'slaves' too. Irish and Scots "rednecks" who were economic slaves and worked alongside the African slaves for bed and board. Edited April 12, 2023 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Irish and Scots "rednecks" I have read that these were actually treated worse than the slaves - as the actual slaves had a value! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 12, 2023 Report Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, discobob said: I have read that these were actually treated worse than the slaves - as the actual slaves had a value! That was undoubtedly the case. Not very woke to mention it though Slaves were expensive, evidenced by the fact that the trade was so lucrative. So slave owners would be sensible to protect their investment. The rednecks had no choice. They had to work under those conditions or they would starve Edited April 12, 2023 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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