Ireland and Presidents USA

[ditchman]

30 minutes ago, Krico woodcock said:

Where you offended by this?? This is a shooting forum.  And I know this is "Off topic ".. but I'm sure its definitely not a solely English forum.  And to me this topic has been "sneery" to say the least,  by some individuals.  

 

  Slightly insultful  in a in direct way!..

Definatly no insult intended...............i like my Irishmen/women....as they are ..the real thing....i have no time for "plastic Irish vote catchers"......im surprised that Biden didnt go for reperation from the Brits for the wrongful things we did to his family.........

[Vince Green]

On 10/04/2023 at 21:04, enfieldspares said:

What? Like even President O'Bama?

Obama was mixed race but actually a very high percentage of African Americans have some Irish or Scottish blood going way back.

It's because  poor Irish and Scots Rednecks lived and worked along side the slaves on the plantations and farms in the southern states

[Townie]

On 15/04/2023 at 21:54, ditchman said:

Definatly no insult intended...............i like my Irishmen/women....as they are ..the real thing....i have no time for "plastic Irish vote catchers"......im surprised that Biden didnt go for reperation from the Brits for the wrongful things we did to his family.........

Couple of Irish friends and worked with a number, none of whom had any time for the Oirish/ leprechaun/ craic stuff that President Biden seems fond of. One told me that older members of her family were bothered only by which side your family backed in the civil war.

Edited April 17, 2023 by Townie
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[NoBodyImportant]

Pretty much every American has an Irish person in their tree somewhere.  Same with Native American.  You put people in close proximity to each other they are going to have sex. 

[Penelope]

19 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Same with Native American.

But not Elizabeth Warren, is that correct? 😊

[NoBodyImportant]

21 hours ago, Penelope said:

But not Elizabeth Warren, is that correct? 😊

Not according to her DNA. But you really can’t tell but looking at people.  A huge part a white European and even more Africans have native DNA as natives Americans breed with their slaves more than Europeans did.  When I use to visit my grandmas house on the reservation there was many black and white looking kids running around as Indian.  What is  really funny is when you look back in the paper work you will seen one parents name and the other parent would be called “Indian girl” or “Indian man”.  Like nobody thought it was important enough to write their name down. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by NoBodyImportant

[Houseplant]

It's similar in New Zealand, but not as pronounced as the USA. People claim to be "Irish" having never visited Ireland or even being able to name a single place within the country. I think there is a prevailing "anything but English" attitude when talking about ancestry in the former colonies. This doesn't make sense because the English are the dominant group in terms of numbers of people within the British Isles by quite some margin.

I think the main reason, especially in the USA is that the English/British were on the losing side in the American War of Independence. In short, no one likes a loser. Also, the English/British were the perpetrators of colonialism. In this day and age, colonialism is a very dirty word, so people choose to identify with another ethnic group.

A final thought from Wikipedia which goes some way to explaining it: 

"Americans of British heritage are often seen, and identify, as simply "American" due to the many historic, linguistic and cultural ties between Great Britain and the U.S. and their influence on the country's population. A leading specialist, Charlotte Erickson, found them to be ethnically "invisible". 

If you really want to annoy someone in your life who makes dodgy claims about their ancestry, buy them an AncestryDNA kit. We did this with one of our friends who claims to be Maori. I can feel this going off topic, but we have a lot of Maori here with blond hair and blue eyes because it suits a certain world view. Her results, mostly English, a good proportion Scottish and Irish and 6% Maori!

 

 

[NoBodyImportant]

I don’t think many people deny English heritage.  It’s just Americans are a mixed bag. My Sir name is French. But being massive land owners and can with %100 proof say that a **** ton of us were born in whales at my family’s home in Brecknockshire Wales.  Our family home Abercynrig still stands today.  So is my sir name French? English? Welch?  Some would say French but land grants to Reginald Awbrey in the late 1090s (who I am directly descended from) has us in Wales until around 1600 when a 40000 acre grant in Northern Virginia saw my direct line move to the Americas. That is 500 years of Awbreys being born and breeding in Wales. So do I claim Welch? Or French?  On my moms side a guy name McGregor had children with what was called “Indian girl”in the census.  So I’m I Irish? Indian? French? Welch? I’m a mutt.  I could claim just about anything I wanted.  My grandmother was dark skin and my aunt was also, my dad looked more white, I look white as hell with those really ****ed up inset Native American eyes. So genetics gave me the worst looking facial features available from my grab bag DNA and said make it work. 

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I don’t think many people deny English heritage.  It’s just Americans are a mixed bag. My Sir name is French. But being massive land owners and can with %100 proof say that a **** ton of us were born in whales at my family’s home in Brecknockshire Wales.  Our family home Abercynrig still stands today.  So is my sir name French? English? Welch?  Some would say French but land grants to Reginald Awbrey in the late 1090s (who I am directly descended from) has us in Wales until around 1600 when a 40000 acre grant in Northern Virginia saw my direct line move to the Americas. That is 500 years of Awbreys being born and breeding in Wales. So do I claim Welch? Or French?  On my moms side a guy name McGregor had children with what was called “Indian girl”in the census.  So I’m I Irish? Indian? French? Welch? I’m a mutt.  I could claim just about anything I wanted.  My grandmother was dark skin and my aunt was also, my dad looked more white, I look white as hell with those really ****** up inset Native American eyes. So genetics gave me the worst looking facial features available from my grab bag DNA and said make it work. 

your "french" name was proberly a throw back to the 1066 norman invasion.....when william the 1st carved up the uk and gave bits to his chosen troops....the favoured ones got bits of england and the 2nd class troops got wales and ireland..........hence the "WELSH" CONNECTION

anyone with the name beginning with Fitz...(fitzpatrick....fitzwilliam...etc) is french norman...

Edited April 23, 2023 by ditchman

[amateur]

6 hours ago, ditchman said:

....... anyone with the name beginning with Fitz...(fitzpatrick....fitzwilliam...etc) is french norman...

Like the well known gay couple William Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzwilliam?

[ditchman]

2 minutes ago, amateur said:

Like the well known gay couple William Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzwilliam?

like the scottish lads ...Ben Doon and Phil Mcavity

[Houseplant]

8 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I don’t think many people deny English heritage.  It’s just Americans are a mixed bag. My Sir name is French. But being massive land owners and can with %100 proof say that a **** ton of us were born in whales at my family’s home in Brecknockshire Wales.  Our family home Abercynrig still stands today.  So is my sir name French? English? Welch?  Some would say French but land grants to Reginald Awbrey in the late 1090s (who I am directly descended from) has us in Wales until around 1600 when a 40000 acre grant in Northern Virginia saw my direct line move to the Americas. That is 500 years of Awbreys being born and breeding in Wales. So do I claim Welch? Or French?  On my moms side a guy name McGregor had children with what was called “Indian girl”in the census.  So I’m I Irish? Indian? French? Welch? I’m a mutt.  I could claim just about anything I wanted.  My grandmother was dark skin and my aunt was also, my dad looked more white, I look white as hell with those really ****** up inset Native American eyes. So genetics gave me the worst looking facial features available from my grab bag DNA and said make it work. 

Get your DNA analysed. Could be interesting. My wife's wasn't, nearly all her DNA originated from a small region of central England. We kind of knew that already, but she was still disappointed!

[NoBodyImportant]

7 hours ago, ditchman said:

your "french" name was proberly a throw back to the 1066 norman invasion.....when william the 1st carved up the uk and gave bits to his chosen troops....the favoured ones got bits of england and the 2nd class troops got wales and ireland..........hence the "WELSH" CONNECTION

anyone with the name beginning with Fitz...(fitzpatrick....fitzwilliam...etc) is french norman...

Correct, my wife genealogy research goes back to Normandy.  There are several references to him receiving land in England south of London and the land in Wales.  

Edited April 23, 2023 by NoBodyImportant

[ditchman]

7 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Correct, my wife genealogy research goes cold in 950ad in Normandy.  There are several references to him receiving land in England south of London and the land in Wales.  

if you want to go any further back you will need to go back to scandinavia as that is where the normans (norsemen) came from beginning with king rollo........