Looking after shotgun

[kingsy18]

Somebody has asked me if I can look after his shotgun,i do have fac but do I need a shotgun cert to look after his shotgun.

[humperdingle]

2 minutes ago, kingsy18 said:

Somebody has asked me if I can look after his shotgun,i do have fac but do I need a shotgun cert to look after his shotgun.

Yes, assuming it’s not S1, for which you have a slot available 

Edited April 17, 2023 by humperdingle

[manthing]

If you don't have the appropriate licence/space in the uk, no you can't look after it.

Edited April 17, 2023 by manthing

[ShootingEgg]

Simple answer is a no. You are not licensed to hold a shotgun.

[Bobba]

If your mate manages to find a SGC holder willing to store his shotgun for him remind him not to overlook the 72 hour rule

[Windswept]

Edited out as what I said may have been wrong.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Windswept

[humperdingle]

1 hour ago, Bobba said:

If your mate manages to find a SGC holder willing to store his shotgun for him remind him not to overlook the 72 hour rule

He could sign it on to his mate’s cert if longer than 72 hours.

 

5 minutes ago, Windswept said:

I am sure you can hold a S2 shotgun on a Firearms (S1) cert, but you will need a specific free slot to aquire it which is likely to mean a variation.

I’m not entirely sure this is correct - why would you have separate certs and regulations if that was the case?

[Windswept]

5 minutes ago, humperdingle said:

 

I’m not entirely sure this is correct - why would you have separate certs and regulations if that was the case?

I've edited my post out as I cant find anything to confirm what I said and the advice seems to be you cant, but I am sure I've known people with S2 shotguns on a FAC. I had assumed that as a FAC is more strict it would be fine.

 

[Scully]

The only shotguns you can hold on a FAC are S1, ( with the relevant slot ) otherwise there’d be no need for two separate tickets. 
You can only look after someone else’s S2 shotgun if you have a SGC. 

[humperdingle]

45 minutes ago, Windswept said:

I've edited my post out as I cant find anything to confirm what I said and the advice seems to be you cant, but I am sure I've known people with S2 shotguns on a FAC. I had assumed that as a FAC is more strict it would be fine.

 

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[London Best]

Remember, once a shotgun has been put on FAC it will remain S1.

[Scully]

12 minutes ago, London Best said:

Remember, once a shotgun has been put on FAC it will remain S1.

Sorry, but unless legislation has changed very recently, that is incorrect. 
I know many people who have had S1 shotguns converted to S2. It involves the proof house unfortunately, but I’ve done it myself in the past, twice. 

[London Best]

40 minutes ago, Scully said:

Sorry, but unless legislation has changed very recently, that is incorrect. 
I know many people who have had S1 shotguns converted to S2. It involves the proof house unfortunately, but I’ve done it myself in the past, twice. 

Correct. But what would happen if you declared a shotgun to be section one, just so it could be stored as S1, and then wanted it declaring S2 in the same condition. Can of worms, methinks? Much cheaper to store with RFD.

[Scully]

Just now, London Best said:

Correct. But what would happen if you declared a shotgun to be section one, just so it could be stored as S1, and then wanted it declaring S2 in the same condition. Can of worms, methinks? Much cheaper to store with RFD.

I’m not sure I know what you mean. Declare it to whom? It’s either S1 or it isn’t, in which case it’s S2. 
Magazine capacity ( in this case ) dictates which section it is. 
Yes, unless OP’s mate can find someone with a SGC, his only option is a RFD. 

[ditchman]

just hand it over to your local gunsmith and pay a small storage fee

[Westley]

On 18/04/2023 at 23:55, ditchman said:

just hand it over to your local gunsmith and pay a small storage fee

That storage fee needs negotiating beforehand too.  A certain local gunshop has been charging a friend £0.50p per gun, per day. He has 3 guns in there, that comes to £7.50 per week. My friend, who has stopped shooting due to age, thought the gun shop was trying to sell them for him, transpires that is NOT the case. They have been there almost 12 months  !   

[oldypigeonpopper]

23 hours ago, Westley said:

That storage fee needs negotiating beforehand too.  A certain local gunshop has been charging a friend £0.50p per gun, per day. He has 3 guns in there, that comes to £7.50 per week. My friend, who has stopped shooting due to age, thought the gun shop was trying to sell them for him, transpires that is NOT the case. They have been there almost 12 months  !   

Hello, can he not transfer to you and sell for him, or advertise and let prospective buyers to to gun shop, I had a spare O/U not worth much but in good order, I gave it to a young lad with new licence

[Centrepin]

On 20/04/2023 at 09:10, Westley said:

That storage fee needs negotiating beforehand too.  A certain local gunshop has been charging a friend £0.50p per gun, per day. He has 3 guns in there, that comes to £7.50 per week. My friend, who has stopped shooting due to age, thought the gun shop was trying to sell them for him, transpires that is NOT the case. They have been there almost 12 months  !   

Lucky they're not in a certain Sheffield shop, £10. per gun per week. 

[Westley]

11 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, can he not transfer to you and sell for him, or advertise and let prospective buyers to to gun shop, I had a spare O/U not worth much but in good order, I gave it to a young lad with new licence

The shop owner has now stated that, and I quote " Those guns do not leave here until I have been paid"  !  I suspect, as my friend has turned 90 now, the shop owner is hoping he drops off his twig, leaving him with the guns  ?

[jall25]

3 hours ago, Westley said:

The shop owner has now stated that, and I quote " Those guns do not leave here until I have been paid"  !  I suspect, as my friend has turned 90 now, the shop owner is hoping he drops off his twig, leaving him with the guns  ?

Why would he let them go without his fee being paid however ?

You dont go shopping to ASDA and dont pay ?

I would maybe engage with him and tell him of the misunderstanding and hopefully like most people in business he will be sensible and fair in his response 

[Westley]

19 hours ago, jall25 said:

Why would he let them go without his fee being paid however ?

You dont go shopping to ASDA and dont pay ?

I would maybe engage with him and tell him of the misunderstanding and hopefully like most people in business he will be sensible and fair in his response 

The guns were put in there for a COMMISSION SALE, not storage  ! I do not think there was a 'misunderstanding ' from the outset  ??

[jall25]

No need to shout - you did not say that in your initial post.

Even if something is on sale or return / or a commission sale i think you will find it is the correct procedure to charge a fee anyway. 

Advertising - shop space - potential cleaning - All cost 

[Westley]

On 22/04/2023 at 23:21, jall25 said:

No need to shout - you did not say that in your initial post.

Even if something is on sale or return / or a commission sale i think you will find it is the correct procedure to charge a fee anyway. 

Advertising - shop space - potential cleaning - All cost 

Certainly not in the gun shop I use. I recently removed a gun from their shop due to its not selling. There was no charge. I also said in my initial post that my friends guns had been put into his local gun shop for sale, however the shop owner had put them into the storeroom and not on display. This only came to light when someone went to look at one of of the guns with a view to purchase. He was told to make an appointment to come and view and that storage fees had accumulated.  Whenever I have sold a gun through the gun shop I use, we determine how much I hope to get, then add on the commission and that is the price on the ticket.