blasterjudd Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 (edited) So guys what's the latest regards non lead cartridges for small gauges 410 and 28 bores apart from Bismuth has any of the leading cartridge manufacturers got a solution to this problem ? Or are we all being sold down the river with no option when the lead shot ban comes ? Loading your own is not the right answer here for lots of gun owners so there needs to be an option available that's competitive on price and is just as effective on range and pattern as lead shot loads ! Edited July 22, 2023 by blasterjudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 I am afraid that unless you reload or are a millionaire and buy Bismuth shells you have no options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 The river . Though I've just bought 2 .410s in a month . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, holloway said: I am afraid that unless you reload or are a millionaire and buy Bismuth shells you have no options. Even if you reload there's no wads for the .410 for steel or TSS - TPS wads always seem to be out of stock and their doesn't seem to be a European wad for steel in a .410 despite claims than various countries have been shooting non-lead for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 You can buy steel Fiocchi 28b ( I’m getting in BE) for £200/250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 Stock up on what you can get in lead. It appears no one is looking for an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, Centrepin said: Stock up on what you can get in lead. It appears no one is looking for an alternative. Hello, when just carts moved to their new warehouse years ago I bought a lot of old stock, shame I never thought of 410 and 28 bore 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 Potential ‘derogation’ for the 410….?! According to some (closer to the matter than I am), this is going to happen. I have more of a ‘let’s hope so’ attitude. Nothing is done until the ink is dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blasterjudd Posted July 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Fargo said: You can buy steel Fiocchi 28b ( I’m getting in BE) for £200/250 Where's BE ? And how many carts for £200 / 250? 8 minutes ago, Fellside said: Potential ‘derogation’ for the 410….?! According to some (closer to the matter than I am), this is going to happen. I have more of a ‘let’s hope so’ attitude. Nothing is done until the ink is dry. Basc and other shooting associations have sold the shooting industry down the river so much for us boys supporting and paying their membership time to dump them I say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, blasterjudd said: Where's BE ? And how many carts for £200 / 250? Basc and other shooting associations have sold the shooting industry down the river so much for us boys supporting and paying their membership time to dump them I say ! That one’s been done to death. We are where we are. We just have to make the best of it. The 410 derogation would be a welcome rescue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 All down to market forces I guess, if theres a demand a product will be found but over all 28s and 410s are such a small portion of guns owned/used it may not be worth while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, blasterjudd said: Where's BE ? And how many carts for £200 / 250? Basc and other shooting associations have sold the shooting industry down the river so much for us boys supporting and paying their membership time to dump them I say ! BE = Belgium when my mates drive over from there . £200 for 250 cartridges - actually it’s a bit less as it’s €200 euro so about £182. Edited July 23, 2023 by Fargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear68 Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 @FargoDo you find they perform well on live quarry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bear68 said: @FargoDo you find they perform well on live quarry? Yes but I only had 50 out of a slab I bought as my mate wanted the rest. I’ll see if can find a box. They are made I believe for the usa market and from memory were 21g plastic wad 4’s. I’ll see if I’ve any empty ones about to photo . I used them on a duck pond only and where ok but most ducks where 10-20 metres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 Hi I have loaded steel in 28 gauge for many years. The load I have used is 15 grams of 6 shot or 16 grams of 4 shot . In .410 10 grams of steel 6 or 7 shot. 21 grams of steel shot is a lot for a 28 gauge l couldn’t get 21 grams of steel 4 shot in any wads that I use for steel in 28 gauge . 21 grams of steel 4 will take up more space than 21 grams of 6 shot. More steel shot cartridges are now available with bio wads in 12 gauge and 20 gauge. The US have different types of non lead cartridges in 28 gauge and.410 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Gas seal said: Hi I have loaded steel in 28 gauge for many years. The load I have used is 15 grams of 6 shot or 16 grams of 4 shot . In .410 10 grams of steel 6 or 7 shot. 21 grams of steel shot is a lot for a 28 gauge l couldn’t get 21 grams of steel 4 shot in any wads that I use for steel in 28 gauge . 21 grams of steel 4 will take up more space than 21 grams of 6 shot. More steel shot cartridges are now available with bio wads in 12 gauge and 20 gauge. The US have different types of non lead cartridges in 28 gauge and.410 . I’ll double check about the load but sure was 21g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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