Covid. Natures way of dealing with old people. Who voted for Johnson?

[oowee]

Johnson: ‘Covid is nature’s way of dealing with old people’

Notes from the former chief scientist Sir Patrick Vallance in August 2020: “[Boris Johnson was] obsessed with older people accepting their fate and letting the young get on with life and the economy going. Quite bonkers set of exchanges.”

Who voted for Johnson?

[Lloyd90]

The world is overpopulated. 

Emissions are through the roof, global warming, complaints about food crisis, housing crisis, etc.

 

Along comes an illness that tends to only kill people over 70 and people with long term chronic health conditions etc, and the first thing they do is lock everyone in their homes for 2 years and develop a vaccine.   
 

It’s distasteful to say it, as clearly shown by Johnson, who thought one thing and said another. 

[oowee]

Over 70? Vote Tory your time is up 🤣

I guess that's how we afford the triple lock pension. 

[clangerman]

not hard to see now why the elderly were dumped into care homes obviously going for the kill em quicker route 

[12gauge82]

Not nice, however the flip side of that is was it right to lock up the young, allow those with treatable diseases to die young due to NHS backlogs and force them into years of debt the young will be burdened with throughout their working lives.

To be honest, with hindsight I believe the answer should have been shield the old an vulnerable until the vaccine was developed and let the rest crack on the, therefore Boris may have been right.

[Lloyd90]

8 hours ago, oowee said:

Over 70? Vote Tory your time is up 🤣

I guess that's how we afford the triple lock pension. 

That’s why they keep putting the age up, people are apparently living too long 🤷‍♂️🤣

 

Its all good until you’re approaching that age yourself. 

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

Not nice, however the flip side of that is was it right to lock up the young, allow those with treatable diseases to die young due to NHS backlogs and force them into years of debt the young will be burdened with throughout their working lives.

To be honest, with hindsight I believe the answer should have been shield the old an vulnerable until the vaccine was developed and let the rest crack on the, therefore Boris may have been right.

Aye they should have given Furlough to the old and vulnerable and allowed them to stay at home (if they wanted to). Would have cost a lot less. 

[Scully]

Me; I voted for Boris. 👍 

It’s not as black and white as the soundbite appears, but that’s what an attention grabbing headline is intended to do, appeal to those without imagination, an agenda or who can’t think for themselves.
You can take care of the ill, frail and elderly ( we do it all the time ) without throwing the economy and the young and healthy under a bus. 
I think the most hilarious aspect of all this is that they’ve called on the testament of a proven liar (Cummings) to give his account! 😀

[Scully]

8 hours ago, clangerman said:

not hard to see now why the elderly were dumped into care homes obviously going for the kill em quicker route 

There was a bloke on the news last night grieving over the fact his mother was put in a care home where she died of covid…..she was in her 90’s for crying out loud! It’s not like she had her entire life in front of her! She wasn’t going skiing or paragliding! 
She could have died at any minute, from anything. 
There’s a Marie Curie nurse in the village; she said at the time that she wanted to slap those who whinged on about their elderly parents contracting covid and dying. They were in care homes for a reason; if their children cared that much why weren’t THEY caring for them rather than farming out that responsibility to a stranger? 
The mother of a friend of mine died after getting covid in hospital where she was for a minor operation on her wrist, she was 94. One of her daughters who was 64 caught it while being allowed to visit her.
The mother had four daughters, eleven grandchildren and who knows how many great grandchildren, not one of them has any grievances to bear about her death. 
Like I’ve said elswhere, I suppose it depends on your intelligence and your agenda. 

[Fargo]

9 hours ago, clangerman said:

not hard to see now why the elderly were dumped into care homes obviously going for the kill em quicker route 

Agree and also didn’t stop them allowing dingy men arriving daily with god knows what diseases to be housed and put into society.

[discobob]

29 minutes ago, Scully said:

she was in her 90’s for crying out loud! It’s not like she had her entire life in front of her! She wasn’t going skiing or paragliding! 

You owe me for a new computer screen as I just spat my tea all over mine when I read that!!!

Sad for the death....but they had their time - unfortunately the biggest comorbidity is age......

[scolopax]

To be fair, the statement was factually true.  
 

Covid mortality was vastly concentrated in the over 80’s

 

[Centrepin]

Maybe what's said behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors, or how long before the thought police knock on your door?

Didn't this investigation cost the taxpayer 100 million pounds? 

Couldn't this have been spent better? Maybe giving those nice boat people new cars or maybe an AK or three?

[islandgun]

I could never take Johnson seriously. As for asking Cummings to testify..😀

[udderlyoffroad]

I must be in some sort of parallel universe, it was obvious *at the time* that lockdowns for an airborne virus do nothing, face masks were at best ineffective, at worst actively bad for you, and that Sweden provided the model to follow viz shielding the elderly/vulnerable.

But let me quote Chris Snowden on this:

 

11 hours ago, oowee said:

Who voted for Johnson?

The good people of Uxbridge. Despite what people think, we do not elect a president in this country.

[islandgun]

Meanwhile sturgeon was putting people with COVID into nursing homes, to free up beds

[Bigbob]

3 hours ago, Scully said:

There was a bloke on the news last night grieving over the fact his mother was put in a care home where she died of covid…..she was in her 90’s for crying out loud! It’s not like she had her entire life in front of her! She wasn’t going skiing or paragliding! 
She could have died at any minute, from anything. 
There’s a Marie Curie nurse in the village; she said at the time that she wanted to slap those who whinged on about their elderly parents contracting covid and dying. They were in care homes for a reason; if their children cared that much why weren’t THEY caring for them rather than farming out that responsibility to a stranger? 
The mother of a friend of mine died after getting covid in hospital where she was for a minor operation on her wrist, she was 94. One of her daughters who was 64 caught it while being allowed to visit her.
The mother had four daughters, eleven grandchildren and who knows how many great grandchildren, not one of them has any grievances to bear about her death. 
Like I’ve said elswhere, I suppose it depends on your intelligence and your agenda. 

Got to agree Most folk don't want there elderly parents in there home to look after as it cramps there life style not because they cant do it . Then they where moaning at the windows i cant touch granny take her home and care for her then . Then what about all the old folk in hospital who are fit enough to come home but there families don't want them so there bed blocking  and the families are moaning Social services should deal with it ?.

[Penelope]

16 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Got to agree Most folk don't want there elderly parents in there home to look after as it cramps there life style not because they cant do it . Then they where moaning at the windows i cant touch granny take her home and care for her then . Then what about all the old folk in hospital who are fit enough to come home but there families don't want them so there bed blocking  and the families are moaning Social services should deal with it ?.

To be fair, what do you do when all members of the family have to go to work or have serious health problems, like dementia, that require specialist care?

[Scully]

3 minutes ago, Penelope said:

To be fair, what do you do when all members of the family have to go to work or have serious health problems, like dementia, that require specialist care?

There are always exceptions of course, but there are several options, including becoming a full time carer, as a mate of mine did. 

[Penelope]

3 minutes ago, Scully said:

There are always exceptions of course, but there are several options, including becoming a full time carer, as a mate of mine did. 

It's certainly where eastern societies have one over on us in the west.

[Centrepin]

11 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Got to agree Most folk don't want there elderly parents in there home to look after as it cramps there life style not because they cant do it . .

Yes it does, it's also totally exhausting, mentally and physically and takes over your life. I don't want my kids to look after me, dump me, move on.

I'd been retired just 3 years when my mum in law started with alzhiemers. I was the one always called on as I was retired and therefore not only available but judged to have nothing better to do with my time. Church on Sunday morning meant no more clay shooting, hospital and Drs appointments meant no more days out or weeks away with my disabled wife, or my grandchildren. I was used to working a 5 day week of up to 15 hours a day right up till I retired and then suddenly I was doing a 24 hour shift 7 days a week. Those who where still working just 8 hours over 5 days couldn't find the time. If I could have afforded it I would gladly have put her in a home, but I  couldn't and had no say as not her son and no lasting power of attorney. (That went to a named daughter) I wonder how many more people are in that trap. It caused a family rift when my daughter said it was literally killing me.

Now my sis in law is talking about giving up driving, cos since she retired she's constantly put on.

It's a hard life.

[tweedledee]

16 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

The world is overpopulated. 

Emissions are through the roof, global warming, complaints about food crisis, housing crisis, etc.

 

Along comes an illness that tends to only kill people over 70 and people with long term chronic health conditions etc, and the first thing they do is lock everyone in their homes for 2 years and develop a vaccine.   
 

It’s distasteful to say it, as clearly shown by Johnson, who thought one thing and said another. 

Man made nonsense....

[Bigbob]

Its a standard joke in our house the kids would put me in a local council care home and just leave me where the wife would get the big private home and visited often .

When i was at the doctors and my blood pressure was 210 /90 she said you better get it under control or you could have a stroke . i said yes my wife would just leave me in the corner smelling of pee LOL 

When my mother in laws mother in law got ill she took her in and it was a testing time for her for years till my father in law died and his mum ended up going into a home My mother in law watched my wife's elder sisters kids all the time including moving them into her home for all summer and winter holidays 

In those days you where just expected to get on with it there was little or no help from the state 

[Lloyd90]

44 minutes ago, tweedledee said:

Man made nonsense....

Like global warming? 
 

Didn’t the CEO of BP recently say they commissioned multiple inquiries and they all said it was very much real and they have contributed significantly into the problem.

[Lloyd90]

3 hours ago, Centrepin said:

Yes it does, it's also totally exhausting, mentally and physically and takes over your life. I don't want my kids to look after me, dump me, move on.

I'd been retired just 3 years when my mum in law started with alzhiemers. I was the one always called on as I was retired and therefore not only available but judged to have nothing better to do with my time. Church on Sunday morning meant no more clay shooting, hospital and Drs appointments meant no more days out or weeks away with my disabled wife, or my grandchildren. I was used to working a 5 day week of up to 15 hours a day right up till I retired and then suddenly I was doing a 24 hour shift 7 days a week. Those who where still working just 8 hours over 5 days couldn't find the time. If I could have afforded it I would gladly have put her in a home, but I  couldn't and had no say as not her son and no lasting power of attorney. (That went to a named daughter) I wonder how many more people are in that trap. It caused a family rift when my daughter said it was literally killing me.

Now my sis in law is talking about giving up driving, cos since she retired she's constantly put on.

It's a hard life.

I can see the difficulty but on the flip side, why didn’t you say no? (Genuine question). 
 

Why would you have had to pay for her to go into a care home if it wasn’t your choice / she wasn’t your dependant? 
The council would have paid if she had no money, if she had loads of money she would have been the one paying. 
 

 

[enfieldspares]

I didn't. I recognised the same Old Etonian shyster I often encountered elsewhere. I would trust the fat lumpen oaf as far as I could kick him. A true candidate for the Gemonian Stairs IMHO.

Edited November 1, 2023 by enfieldspares