Daz45 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 On 20/01/2024 at 12:01, Bigbob said: Why no send them back the lot that's here already are supposedly costing 8 million pounds a day , Money better used on our own O.A.P.s hospitals etc and its only going to get worse as we are seen as a soft touch On 19/01/2024 at 20:33, London Best said: We do NOT need to send them back! We need to stop them coming in in the first place. This post is exactly correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Daz45 said: This post is exactly correct. But wasnt that why we paid all that money to France to stop them coming here ?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) 9 hours ago, Bigbob said: But wasnt that why we paid all that money to France to stop them coming here ?> Actually we pay the French to patrol the beaches. We assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that while they were patrolling they would stop any migrants they saw getting into boats. The French saw it differently, to them the deal was just to patrol. Nothing in the agreement about stopping the boats or the migrants. There are numerous examples on video of the French police standing watching the migrants chamber aboard the dingies and more or less waving them off. Edited January 23 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Actually we pay the French to patrol the beaches. We assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that while they were patrolling they would stop any migrants they saw getting into boats. The French saw it differently, to them the deal was just to patrol. Nothing in the agreement about stopping the boats or the migrants. There are numerous examples on video of the French police standing watching the migrants chamber aboard the dingies and more or less waving them off. To assume that the French will do anything other than help themselves is infantile? Sums up our politicos and their uncivil servants well? This situation has always been the same and always will be. Why would they want to hinder the passage of unknowns when they can fob them off on us? Edited January 23 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz45 Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 On 22/01/2024 at 23:04, Bigbob said: But wasnt that why we paid all that money to France to stop them coming here ?> Did we really expect much help from France, I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 24 Author Report Share Posted January 24 It's such a simple problem to solve made so difficult by useless politicians and our 'friends' on the continent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted January 24 Report Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: It's such a simple problem to solve made so difficult by useless politicians and our 'friends' on the continent. Okay, I'll ask, please explain how easy it is to solve? Pushkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pushkin said: Okay, I'll ask, please explain how easy it is to solve? Pushkin If the French took them straight back, immediately with no question initially it would cause more difficulty in Calais. However, in the longer term, once the realisation that it was never going to work got through to them they would stop heading to Calais. Then the French problem would be solved as well. WIN - WIN Edited January 25 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 25 Author Report Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Vince Green said: If the French took them straight back, immediately with no question initially it would cause more difficulty in Calais. However, in the longer term, once the realisation that it was never going to work got through to them they would stop heading to Calais. Then the French problem would be solved as well. WIN - WIN Spot on and if the rest of the EU did the same the entire continent would stop the illegal immigration problem overnight. The solution however is still simple, drop them on a French beach whether the french agree or not. We'd get called hurty words and the french might make crossings difficult ect, but ultimately, migrants would stop trying overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Spot on and if the rest of the EU did the same the entire continent would stop the illegal immigration problem overnight. The solution however is still simple, drop them on a French beach whether the french agree or not. We'd get called hurty words and the french might make crossings difficult ect, but ultimately, migrants would stop trying overnight. The problem for Europe is much bigger and requires a consolidated approach. The real cause is world population growth and what does the world do with all these excess mouths to feed? Because they are not going to go away and they are not going to stop coming. An article I was reading some time back suggested that there may be as many as a hundred million disenfranchised young men in Africa alone. Disenfranchised in that context often means they are the second or third sons that didn't or won't inherit the family land or business so have to move elsewhere so seek a life for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 (edited) the libtards won't be happy until all Africa is in Europe. i for one can't wait as i'll be on a plane to Joberg the next day. it's a win win😎 Edited January 25 by Zoli 12 guage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 (edited) 21 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: It's such a simple problem to solve made so difficult by useless politicians and our 'friends' on the continent. Not sure we have any anymore? Edited January 25 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 12 hours ago, old man said: Not sure we have any anymore? Its chuffin galling when I see politicos refer to EU and France in particular as 'our friends' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 23 hours ago, Vince Green said: The real cause is world population Third world population. Before the west started poking its nose in with third world health and food issues a large amount simply did not survive past childhood and a large amount of those that did rarely lived to what we would term old age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian willetts Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Correct we should have left well alone thanks a lot bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, sportsbob said: Third world population. Before the west started poking its nose in with third world health and food issues a large amount simply did not survive past childhood and a large amount of those that did rarely lived to what we would term old age. Maybe so, but the reason we are being invaded is our own spineless politicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz45 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 On 24/01/2024 at 22:28, Pushkin said: Okay, I'll ask, please explain how easy it is to solve? Pushkin A Royal Navy Gun boat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Quote Asylum seekers or failed asylum seekers awaiting the outcome of an asylum claim or further submission cannot work as an employee or a worker, even for a voluntary organisation, unless they have been granted permission to work under Paragraph 360 or 360C of the Immigration Rules. I do wonder how they are managing to get a job. The above is from HM Gov's own website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, Gordon R said: I do wonder how they are managing to get a job. The above is from HM Gov's own website. This bit unless they have been granted permission to work under Paragraph 360 or 360C of the Immigration Rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 well once they step off the boats theres always conscription Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted January 26 Author Report Share Posted January 26 46 minutes ago, dabbers said: well once they step off the boats theres always conscription Your having a laugh, the vast majority of the illegals that have come here will likely never see themselves as British and would be on the first flight back to the country they supposedly fled from if they were required to fight for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Newbie to this - I have seen that, but have they been given that permission and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, Gordon R said: Newbie to this - I have seen that, but have they been given that permission and why? Yes, 16,000 of them have, as to why, my guess - Big business wants cheap labour, our 'government' is providing it, at the expense of the tax payer. It used to be provided by the EU, again courtesy (in part) of the tax payer. It's an absolute joke, but don't worry Labour will make it all better Edited January 27 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Your having a laugh, the vast majority of the illegals that have come here will likely never see themselves as British and would be on the first flight back to the country they supposedly fled from if they were required to fight for the UK. of course i,m having a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 19 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Maybe so, but the reason we are being invaded is our own spineless politicians. 100% the strings that suspend them are held by the likes of the WEF, WHO etc. It does not help matters that HRH also supports the ideals of the WEF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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