Geert Wilders

[amateur]

15 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

That worked well then.

Not yet, but it certainly will, the way things are going.

[Scully]

I think it’s still a long way from being the answer those who voted for are looking for, and many admit they voted as a protest vote much in the same  way many in the Uk voted for Brexit because they were sick to the back teeth of being ignored by the establishment. 
If it goes the way many wish, my only hope is that we can strike a balance somewhere along the way rather than seeking extremes. 

[Keith 66]

With no strong credible centre party to vote for we are reduced to choosing between extremes, Once upon a time the liberals were considered a centrist party but are now left of labour,  far right or far left neither have the answer. But the idiots in charge are making it happen.

 

[ditchman]

15 hours ago, Scully said:

I think it’s still a long way from being the answer those who voted for are looking for, and many admit they voted as a protest vote much in the same  way many in the Uk voted for Brexit because they were sick to the back teeth of being ignored by the establishment. 
If it goes the way many wish, my only hope is that we can strike a balance somewhere along the way rather than seeking extremes. 

 

13 hours ago, Keith 66 said:

With no strong credible centre party to vote for we are reduced to choosing between extremes, Once upon a time the liberals were considered a centrist party but are now left of labour,  far right or far left neither have the answer. But the idiots in charge are making it happen.

 

2 posts i strongly agree with.......just about says it all..................time will tell if it is going to shake things up

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, it is far to late to do anything in our country 🤔, those that wish to change politics to look after our own citizens are in a minority , we have a open door for anyone wanting to cross the channel but not by ferry or train and it is costing us millions of £s , just one day would be enough to build a new school, i wonder how many of those who welcome them have grand children that will have to pay heavy in taxes when they start working, or never be able to own a home , 🤔

[Vince Green]

Wilders will be smothered by the political system in Holland which is in turn smothered by the EU.

Holland has long been tipped to be the next to leave the EU but because they are in the Euro its now virtually impossible for them to leave.

[armsid]

We had a similar political turmoil nearly 100 yrs ago and who rose from it? Beware it could happen again as our leaders never learn with their we know best and do not care  attitude Interesting times ahead

[ditchman]

On 25/11/2023 at 14:37, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, it is far to late to do anything in our country 🤔, those that wish to change politics to look after our own citizens are in a minority , we have a open door for anyone wanting to cross the channel but not by ferry or train and it is costing us millions of £s , just one day would be enough to build a new school, i wonder how many of those who welcome them have grand children that will have to pay heavy in taxes when they start working, or never be able to own a home , 🤔

NO ITS NOT TO LATE.................

[enfieldspares]

Of course it could also be that those on the right have decided to stand but one candidate in each electoral contest rather than split the vote. It that they've maybe looked to France where in recent national elections the several socialist candidates in each contest have split the vote. 

[fern01]

On 24/11/2023 at 10:37, Penelope said:

As it was in Sweden and the Netherlands, but maybe the tide is just on the turn.

But they are not the far right.

Please don't fall in the obvious trap. It's grass roots, the indigenous populations have just about had enough of their cultures being undermined and sidelined.

And destroyed

Blair stabbed every working class person in this country in the back and grinned like a Cheshire cat while doing so.

If any current Tory politician tries to redress the balance they are binned

[old man]

On 25/11/2023 at 14:37, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, it is far to late to do anything in our country 🤔, those that wish to change politics to look after our own citizens are in a minority , we have a open door for anyone wanting to cross the channel but not by ferry or train and it is costing us millions of £s , just one day would be enough to build a new school, i wonder how many of those who welcome them have grand children that will have to pay heavy in taxes when they start working, or never be able to own a home , 🤔

Common sense tells me you are quite right, far too late. It's not the done thing now to create stability and progress for the population who voted them in? 

On 26/11/2023 at 16:21, ditchman said:

NO ITS NOT TO LATE.................

Without being confrontational ditchy, it is!

2 party ping pong not giving a flying fig other than sucking the trough dry, knowing full well they will not vote for or all allow change to make things better for anyone other than themselves?

[ditchman]

1 hour ago, old man said:

Common sense tells me you are quite right, far too late. It's not the done thing now to create stability and progress for the population who voted them in? 

Without being confrontational ditchy, it is!

2 party ping pong not giving a flying fig other than sucking the trough dry, knowing full well they will not vote for or all allow change to make things better for anyone other than themselves?

i would never be confrontational with you or anyone...life is too short ..and we are a long time dead 

i just feel change is around the courner...and it might be not so good....

[Agriv8]

In my opinion Modern voting has shown that if candidates on both side are considered weak by those undecided middle ground they will turn there vote on a sound bite or headline often a minority or independent /  green or right wing . Because they see nothing worth voting for in two main parties and there elected leaders!

it has a term but I can’t remember it !

Agriv8

[old man]

22 hours ago, ditchman said:

i would never be confrontational with you or anyone...life is too short ..and we are a long time dead 

i just feel change is around the courner...and it might be not so good....

Mm, I take your point but, if things don't change things won't be so good either unless you are a politico?

To be honest it's too late, the economy has been wrecked and with incompetents in charge and in waiting we need a Big change?...........Now?

Edited November 29, 2023 by old man

[armsid]

And how many in power are Remainers and would rather another party take us back in and join the Euro and have our economic future decided by more unelected morons which takes the blame away from the failures of the UK political class

[oowee]

48 minutes ago, armsid said:

And how many in power are Remainers and would rather another party take us back in and join the Euro and have our economic future decided by more unelected morons which takes the blame away from the failures of the UK political class

🤣

What future? Economic 🤣

[Rewulf]

12 hours ago, oowee said:

🤣

What future? Economic 🤣

Future economic growth looks pretty normal according to projections https://www.statista.com/statistics/375195/gdp-growth-forecast-uk/

On what are you basing your 'no future' projections ?

[London Best]

22 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

On what are you basing your 'no future' projections ?

He is going to vote Labour?

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, London Best said:

He is going to vote Labour?

Thats what I was thinking 

[JohnfromUK]

Wilders has a problem - he has no majority and has to negotiate a coalition (or similar 'deal') to form a Gov't. 

Coalitions have to form around the various policies on which they can 'agree' - and that tends to end up with the only agreement being they can't really agree on any changes, so the 'status quo' is kept.  Only very routine and mundane new legislation gets agreed on.

Wilders will struggle to find any coalition partner who will do most of the things on which he was elected.

[Rewulf]

30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Wilders has a problem - he has no majority and has to negotiate a coalition (or similar 'deal') to form a Gov't. 

Coalitions have to form around the various policies on which they can 'agree' - and that tends to end up with the only agreement being they can't really agree on any changes, so the 'status quo' is kept.  Only very routine and mundane new legislation gets agreed on.

I touched on this last week, you are absolutely correct, there is no massive swing to the 'far' right, and Wilders will most likely not be leading anything except his own party.

This is the type of proportional representation that some espouse, but is in effect, inefficient at getting any real change,

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Rewulf said:

This is the type of proportional representation that some espouse, but is in effect, inefficient at getting any real change

PR's a recipe for weak and ineffective Gov't.  I admit we have that already at present (but thats because the leader has no control over a party with a decent majority), but it's guaranteed with coalitions for the reasons above

 

[oowee]

7 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Future economic growth looks pretty normal according to projections https://www.statista.com/statistics/375195/gdp-growth-forecast-uk/

On what are you basing your 'no future' projections ?

3 days ago, 

Andrew Bailey said he was concerned over the UK economy's potential to grow, adding "there's no doubt it's lower than it has been in much of my working life".

It comes after the government's forecaster slashed its growth outlook for the UK, in part due to high inflation and interest rates.

[Rewulf]

33 minutes ago, oowee said:

3 days ago, 

Andrew Bailey said he was concerned over the UK economy's potential to grow, adding "there's no doubt it's lower than it has been in much of my working life".

It comes after the government's forecaster slashed its growth outlook for the UK, in part due to high inflation and interest rates.

Lower than expected growth (often completely wrong in 'projections') hardly translates to a 'What future ?' scenario ?
And its certainly not what Bailey said either.

[oowee]

24 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Lower than expected growth (often completely wrong in 'projections') hardly translates to a 'What future ?' scenario ?
And its certainly not what Bailey said either.

The governor of the Bank of England has raised concerns over economic growth as he warned again that interest rates will not be cut in the "foreseeable future".

Andrew Bailey said he was concerned over the UK economy's potential to grow, adding "there's no doubt it's lower than it has been in much of my working life".

It comes after the government's forecaster slashed its growth outlook for the UK, in part due to high inflation and interest rates.

Inflation, which is the rate consumer prices rise at, has dropped sharply in recent months, falling to 4.6% in the year to October largely as a result of lower energy prices.

However, it is still more than double the Bank of England's 2% target and Mr Bailey warned lowering inflation further would be "hard work".

His comments, in an interview with local news website Chronicle Live, external during a visit to the North East of England, came as a House of Lords committee report said that reforms were needed to improve the Bank of England's performance and accountability.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrpzxpv90eo

You can cut it whatever way you like but we are in a financial mess no amount of Tory bluster will sort it.  Fiscal drag, record levels of tax, increased debt, unfunded pension benefit increases, record nhs lists, crumbling schools.