Farage

[Raja Clavata]

Both legal and illegal migration represent a problem but it appears that the illegal issue is somewhat amplified which conveniently diverts attention away from legal migration and other issues.

Whilst it's not without problems, I really think there is merit in aspects of moving to, or at least towards, a cashless society.

For one thing it definitely discriminates against unaccounted for illegal immigrants. I suspect it would also crush certain aspects of criminality and tax avoidance.

Something like a phased transition over time towards an upper limit on cash transactions could be an equitable compromise.

There's no silver bullet but something needs to be done.

On the topic of Albanian criminality,  about this time last year I did take a certain amount of pleasure delivering a guilty verdict, which sent an illegal immigrant and drug dealer, claiming to be a victim of modern day slavery, packing back to whence he came. It's just a shame his whole network wasn't brought to justice.

[Rewulf]

17 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Rewulf - I would be the first to agree that Albanians have a generally poor reputation in this country.

My lad sold a motocross bike to two Albanian lads who travelled up from London. They were dead straight and decent lads.

I wouldnt say for one minute all Albanians are bad people , if it were true, Albania would be a no go zone.

My personal interactions with Albanians in the UK have not been positive , but those are stories for another day.

My youngest daughter (21 and studying at Manchester) has recently been going regularly to Albania for long weekends (£100 wowcher deal, flights and accommodation) she says the country and people are lovely.
I asked her if they had any trouble over there, and she said none at all, the locals remarked that the country is a far better place since most of the criminals left for richer pastures in Western Europe.

[London Best]

There are good and bad in all races and nationalities.

[Zoli 12 guage]

11 minutes ago, London Best said:

There are good and bad in all races and nationalities.

correct,and we've got enough "home grown" talent and don't need to import more.

[London Best]

19 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

correct,and we've got enough "home grown" talent and don't need to import more.

Correct, good or bad.

[sportsbob]

Has anyone noticed as soon as someone says we need to stop the boats for the economic migrants (being polite here) the argument in their favour is we need immigration for the workforce NHS etc blah blah. It seems they fail to comprehend the legal immigration system supplies the workforce and the illegal boat immigration does not.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, sportsbob said:

Has anyone noticed as soon as someone says we need to stop the boats for the economic migrants (being polite here) the argument in their favour is we need immigration for the workforce NHS etc blah blah. It seems they fail to comprehend the legal immigration system supplies the workforce and the illegal boat immigration does not.

Absolutely, it's been conflated quite intentionally, along with the tactic of shutting any conversation down around the genuine concerns over negative effects of migration by calling people racist. As the problems grow, it's having less effect and detracts from genuine issues with discrimination and racism.

[Zoli 12 guage]

3 hours ago, London Best said:

Correct, good or bad.

have a Google at the ethnic make up of our prison population and the disproportionate nature of it.

[Doormat]

I/we didn’t vote in the last GE

as there was no one to vote for.

I won’t vote Tory as I loathe the corrupt elitist back slapping, labour?? Lol not in a million years. I truly dislike David Lemmy & Diane Abbot as they seem to cater only for a certain demographic. So for us it will be reform or no vote cast. 
To be fair I think Farage is a great public speaker, he’s certainly sharp enough and extremely patriotic. I think he’d hold his own personally. 

can I say all that or have breached guidelines? 

[Red696]

My old Dad use to say “ if you aint a white anglo saxon protestant you aint worth owt”, well thats been flipped on it’s head for sure..

[TIGHTCHOKE]

7 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

correct,and we've got enough "home grown" talent and don't need to import more.

I agree, but maybe it should read something other than talent?

[Zoli 12 guage]

10 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I agree, but maybe it should read something other than talent?

why's that 🤔

would you rather i typed rapists, murderers, thieves,jihadists etc😉

[B686]

11 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

why's that 🤔

would you rather i typed rapists, murderers, thieves,jihadists etc😉

👍nothing wrong with the truth. You did forget sponging benefit leeches . 

[Rewulf]

I wonder if we'll get another referendum, despite the toolmakers son saying labour have no plans to rejoin EU ?
My money is on not , just rail road us back in.

https://order-order.com/2024/06/17/reeves-lets-cat-out-of-bag-on-eu-rejoin-path/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3LOA7tvmN1YQquuSyS2eiu4NwzzPb78NjPRY9llTAkLKn__yjW5GRqsn0_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

This serpent certainly cant be trusted on the matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/27/peter-mandelson-dismisses-prospect-of-uk-rejoining-eu-labour

[JohnfromUK]

If he has a big majority (which seems likely), then he can do whatever he wants.

But remember, in the Labour party, the (so called) "Leader" has to carry out policy set by a 'party body, the National Policy Forum.  He does not set the policy.

"Policy is developed through the National Policy Forum. This is a body of around 200 representatives from all the major groups of the Labour Party, from constituency parties and regions to affiliated trade unions, socialist societies, MPs and councillors."  https://www.policyforum.labour.org.uk/about/policy-process

[12gauge82]

14 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I wonder if we'll get another referendum, despite the toolmakers son saying labour have no plans to rejoin EU ?
My money is on not , just rail road us back in.

https://order-order.com/2024/06/17/reeves-lets-cat-out-of-bag-on-eu-rejoin-path/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3LOA7tvmN1YQquuSyS2eiu4NwzzPb78NjPRY9llTAkLKn__yjW5GRqsn0_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

This serpent certainly cant be trusted on the matter.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/27/peter-mandelson-dismisses-prospect-of-uk-rejoining-eu-labour

I'm sure Blair and his mates will be in the background interfering with democracy to the best of their ability.

If everyone who voted for brexit backed reform at the GE we'd be looking at a new dawn in the UK.

Why anyone at this point who isn't a rabid wokey isn't voting for reform instead of more of the same from Labour and Conservative is beyond me.

[Zoli 12 guage]

32 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'm sure Blair and his mates will be in the background interfering with democracy to the best of their ability.

If everyone who voted for brexit backed reform at the GE we'd be looking at a new dawn in the UK.

Why anyone at this point who isn't a rabid wokey isn't voting for reform instead of more of the same from Labour and Conservative is beyond me.

my feelings exactly 👍

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

If he has a big majority (which seems likely), then he can do whatever he wants.

Like a dictator you mean ?

 

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

But remember, in the Labour party, the (so called) "Leader" has to carry out policy set by a 'party body, the National Policy Forum.  He does not set the policy.

So a bit like a revolutionary kommittee in a cold war communist state ?

Either way, it seems undemocratic, unconstitutional , and downright corrupt if it involves rejoining the EU via stealth, or without a referendum.
This would create a stronger anti EU party, and guarantee them walking into power at the next election.
If we can vote out, then be railroaded back in, we can also use those same tracks to get right back out again, and it would be decades before labour saw power again.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Like a dictator you mean ?

The only constraint will be getting the civil service to draft any legislation/treaties/bills.  With a big majority, even IF they chose to (which is unlikely on un-brexit) - the Lords can only delay.

 

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Either way, it seems undemocratic, unconstitutional , and downright corrupt if it involves rejoining the EU via stealth, or without a referendum.

What it may seem is actually not important when you have a huge majority.  The Labour party is largely run (policy, election of leaders, party rules making and changing by a variety of committees and bodies - heavily influenced by by the union block votes.  It's the lefty version of 'democracy'.

[Rewulf]

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

It's the lefty version of 'democracy'

Sounds like the 'western' version of communism, albeit without the stasi and jackboots (yet)

Im not having a go at you John by the way, Im just being somewhat cynical about the whole thing.
It absolutely stinks IMHO.

[JohnfromUK]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Sounds like the 'western' version of communism, albeit without the stasi and jackboots (yet)

Im not having a go at you John by the way, Im just being somewhat cynical about the whole thing.
It absolutely stinks IMHO.

I know that. 

The Labour party is claimed to be 'democratic' - in much the same way as North Korea is 'democratic', (or any of the other totalitarian states).

There is a vote, but it's done - not by one person/one vote - but by 'block votes on behalf of members', and the Leader has some 'influence', but not control.  I'm always slightly puzzled by how Blair got away with what he did - but I think the rules have changed a lot since then - partly as a result of the Blair/Mandleson/Campbell mini cabinet running the party.

[Rewulf]

31 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

partly as a result of the Blair/Mandleson/Campbell mini cabinet running the party.

I suspect that they will have far more influence in this new government than they are entitled to.

[12gauge82]

Interesting read John. It strengthens my belief that this country desperately needs a new system and a new party.

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said:

Interesting read John

Don't quote me on this, but I think much of what is there now was put in place in Corbyn's time as leader.  I have not studied the history, but back in Harold Wilson's time, much of the policy was voted on at "Conference" - which still involved the Union leaders voting their members votes as 'blocks'. 

I'm fairly sure some time after that (Kinnock or Blair?) it was made much more 'from the top' where the leader had more power.

Corbyn I think changed a lot, backed by his momentum cronies and in effect removed the power of the leader and much went to various committees - which had a high proportion of members from Unions and various 'sub-groups' like momentum.  All this is set by the National Executive Committee - membership here;

https://labour.org.uk/whos-on-the-nec/

and you will see that the Parliamentary party are very much in a minority ..........

It's all very much like the old easter bloc 'Party'.  The question is - who is Big Brother?

[12gauge82]

7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Don't quote me on this, but I think much of what is there now was put in place in Corbyn's time as leader.  I have not studied the history, but back in Harold Wilson's time, much of the policy was voted on at "Conference" - which still involved the Union leaders voting their members votes as 'blocks'. 

I'm fairly sure some time after that (Kinnock or Blair?) it was made much more 'from the top' where the leader had more power.

Corbyn I think changed a lot, backed by his momentum cronies and in effect removed the power of the leader and much went to various committees - which had a high proportion of members from Unions and various 'sub-groups' like momentum.  All this is set by the National Executive Committee - membership here;

https://labour.org.uk/whos-on-the-nec/

and you will see that the Parliamentary party are very much in a minority ..........

It's all very much like the old easter bloc 'Party'.  The question is - who is Big Brother?

Thank you for taking the time to share 👍