Green Party call to ban all commercial game shooting within one year..

[enfieldspares]

Page 27 of the FULL Green Party manifesto:

https://greenparty.org.uk/app/uploads/2024/06/Green-Party-2024-General-Election-Manifesto-Long-version_imprint.pdf

A humane approach to wild and farmed animals The Green Party is fundamentally opposed to all blood sports and would campaign to introduce a ban on all hunting in the first year of a new parliament. This includes trophy hunting, trail hunting, where dogs are used to track foxes,and the commercial shooting of game birds. Government subsidies will no longer be given to maintain artificial landscapes designed only for hunting (such as grouse moors).

[ditchman]

dont worry about it...................they are nothing but a bunch of deluded idiotic weed smoking idiots

[Yellow Bear]

I think their chance of winning many seats is slim when they promise to raise taxes as well

Edited June 12 by Yellow Bear

[enfieldspares]

The danger is that they get enough seats to be asked to form a coalition and demand this nonsense as part of the price. So anybody who shoots live quarry needs, please, to spread the word. It's no longer red for danger but green for danger!

[Genghis]

It probably matters little since they want to ban firearms altogether. See below from the same page:

 

 “Related to this will be the prohibition of firearms and lethal weapons except on registered premises. We will also ban the use of lead ammunition and outlaw all forms of snaring.“

[ditchman]

they are Bat****

[rbrowning2]

1 hour ago, ditchman said:

dont worry about it...................they are nothing but a bunch of deluded idiotic weed smoking idiots

 

Problem is so may be their supporters

[7daysinaweek]

The DREAM party. 

[ditchman]

2 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

 

Problem is so may be their supporters

we will round them up and put them in "work camps"....feed them the odd potatoe and boiled grass.......the only problem is finding enough rolling stock to transport them there ...AND ON TIME

[7daysinaweek]

Just now, ditchman said:

we will round them up and put them in "work camps"....feed them the odd potatoe and boiled grass.......the only problem is finding enough rolling stock to transport them there ...AND ON TIME

This!

[ditchman]

Just now, 7daysinaweek said:

The DREAM party. 

yes the wet dream party ..and they wake up and find a "night emmision"

[7daysinaweek]

Just now, ditchman said:

yes the wet dream party ..and they wake up and find a "night emmision"

[ditchman]

im watching the debate from Grimsby......................and i taste a little sick in my throat

[Weihrauch17]

Just now, ditchman said:

im watching the debate from Grimsby......................and i taste a little sick in my throat

Lying through his teeth on Tax.  CGT and Inheritance Tax will shoot through the roof.

[ditchman]

3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

Lying through his teeth on Tax.  CGT and Inheritance Tax will shoot through the roof.

he is past lying thro' his teeth.....he has learnt to talk out his funderment now

they all sound the same and the "old tool maker". gag..has come out again.......this man, as do all of them... are professionals at blowing smoke up yer bottom..........

[Vince Green]

If you actually take the time to really deeply look into the Green Party you will be amazed.

They appear to have collected all the cranks and deluded weirdos from all over the fringes of the political spectrum. 

You would think that Green Party would be focused on environmental issues but the reality is they are just anti everything. No positive or constructive policies about anything or anybody.

[JohnfromUK]

The longer term risk is that some halfwit will introduce a system of proportional representation (PR).  This will mean coalitions will become almost essential, and that's when these smaller parties get disproportionate power by doing 'deals' to prop up a larger party.

It is likely that under a PR system - the left would prevail because there are more parties (Labour, Scot Nat, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dem, Green, plus an independant or two and some NI MPs).  There is a distinct risk Starmer will introduce PR to 'lock out' the centre and right.

[countryman]

Some years ago I had that Caroline Lucas at my gate stirring up trouble about a telecom mast that was built on my land , she was preaching a load of B#### to her followers, they really are something else, a lot of them clearly do not believe in soap as well.

[Genghis]

As Enfield and John have noted, the possibility of a left-wing coalition, which may include the Green Party, is a realistic prospect (they’re currently predicted to win 2-3 seats). Ironically, a Labour majority win would be less damaging than a coalition would.

 

As far as I’m aware, this is the first time that a ‘notable’ political party has ever pledged to outright ban firearms in their manifesto.

[welsh1]

This is a thread on the green party.

We already have enough threads running regarding basc and lead.

I have removed some posts, please keep it on topic or the thread will be closed.

[udderlyoffroad]

4 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

And, I ask, why is it ENFIELDSPARES that has noted and posted this and not BASC? Asleep at the wheel or too busy spinning the voluntary ending of use of lead shot? Dangeld by any other name

Oh do calm down - It was only published this morning.  Are you seriously suggesting BASC should have had a mole in the Green party?  Because that would've been a waste of money. Their manifesto was equally bonkers last time (caged rabbit ban, make firearms owners pay for the cost of gun crime...), it was almost a certainty they'd come up with 'ban it all', as they have done with other areas of their manifesto.  

Not that it matters, but I posted about this in the 'write to your perspective parliamentary candidates thread 2 hours before you.  Were you asleep at the wheel? 🤣

And yes, all sorts of ugly deals could be done in the inevitable coalition, see Clegg and his AV referendum 'night time emission' vs whacking up tuition fees for students circa 2010.  Might as well vote for whichever candidate in your constituency most meshes with your personal views, and forget this tactical voting nonsense.

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

The longer term risk is that some halfwit will introduce a system of proportional representation (PR).  This will mean coalitions will become almost essential, and that's when these smaller parties get disproportionate power by doing 'deals' to prop up a larger party.

Indeed, I've never understood this yearning for PR by those who've clearly never lived somewhere it's the norm.  The small left parties rule the roost until the voters get fed  up and go for 'far right' parties...

[JohnfromUK]

5 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said:

Indeed, I've never understood this yearning for PR by those who've clearly never lived somewhere it's the norm.  The small left parties rule the roost until the voters get fed  up and go for 'far right' parties...

I think the time a coalition can work is where there is a single overriding objective that sits way above 'normal political hurly burly'.  The last example I can think of here would be WW2 where a coalition did work with the single purpose of winning the war.  It enabled the best minds and skills from both sides to unify against an external threat.

The BIG difference there is that the coalition included both main parties, not one main and (one or more) minor (left or right) fringe party(ies).

 

[Houseplant]

Be careful, the Green Party made in to coalition government over here, albeit within a different political system. Extreme anti-gun, anti-hunting left wingers with a window dressing of environmental issues. 

Edited June 13 by Houseplant

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Houseplant said:

Be careful, the Green Party made in to coalition government over here, albeit within a different political system. Extreme anti-gun, anti-hunting left wingers with a window dressing of environmental issues. 

You may be well versed in the UK political scene, so please excuse me if this is telling you what you already know. 

The Green party here the same, but (at present) our 'first past the post' system has a reasonable chance of one of the two 'main' parties having a majority.  It is a near certainty that the Labour party (the main left of centre party led by Keir Starmer) will win a big majority this summer.  However 'speculation' is that the Labour party may change the system to a more proportional representation based system (PR) - and with a big majority they could do that.

Then, in future, both the two 'main' parties - Labour on the left and Conservative (Tory) on the right, would find it difficult to get a majority.  Therefore they would have to 'do a deal' with a smaller party/parties to command enough votes to govern.  As things stand, this would favour the left because there are more smaller left of centre parties.

Of those current parties who might credibly win seats under PR we have;

• on the 'left' we have Labour as the 'traditional main', but also Scottish Nationalist, Plaid Cymru (Welsh Nat), Lib Dem, Green, and some Northern Ireland based seats.
• on the 'right' we have Conservative as the 'traditional main', Reform (the old Brexit party re-purposed), and some Northern Ireland 'Unionist' based seats.
• we also have around 15 'independants'.

There is therefore much more likelihood of the 'left' being able to form a coalition than the 'right' because there are more parties and (even as things stand in the current parliament) many more possible seats held by smaller parties on the left.  The left in the last parliament had around 75 seats from smaller parties, whereas the right had around 10.  In effect, PR could grant an ability for the 'left' to retain power even if the main leading party lost popularity and dramatically reduce the chance of the right ever being able to govern.

[Houseplant]

Thanks John. I hope it works out for you guys.