Conor O'Gorman Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 BASC has met Jonathan Evison, re-elected PCC for Humberside, and Dan Price, the new PCC for Cheshire and both have committed to working with BASC to improve firearms licensing in their areas. One of the PCCs commented on the high number of BASC members that had contacted him prior to his election in May – a reflection of the importance of engaging with elected representatives. https://basc.org.uk/basc-builds-relationships-with-humberside-and-cheshire-pccs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted July 23 Report Share Posted July 23 Shame you didn't oppose the costly medical certificates brought in on the back of the Plymouth nutter who should never have had a shotgun in the first place. Police incompetence equals persecution of legal shooting folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 11 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: Shame you didn't oppose the costly medical certificates brought in on the back of the Plymouth nutter who should never have had a shotgun in the first place. Police incompetence equals persecution of legal shooting folk. GPs started charging for verification of medical declaration forms against medical records in 2016. I think what you are referring to is the statutory guidance for firearms licensing. Did you respond to the firearms licensing consultation last year? Did you contact your candidate PCCs during the PCC elections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Quote Did you respond to the firearms licensing consultation last year? Did you contact your candidate PCCs during the PCC elections? What has this to do with what Weihrauch 17 posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: What has this to do with what Weihrauch 17 posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: What has this to do with what Weihrauch 17 posted? What's this got to do with your good self? I don't think Weihrauch17 needs a minder. Let's await the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Let's hope his track record for answering questions is better than yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Let's hope his track record for answering questions is better than yours. Please stop with false narrative. You are clearly on a mission in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Please stop it. You can't help yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Let's stop this now please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: GPs started charging for verification of medical declaration forms against medical records in 2016. I think what you are referring to is the statutory guidance for firearms licensing. Did you respond to the firearms licensing consultation last year? Did you contact your candidate PCCs during the PCC elections? I was talking about the mandatory Medical Forms now required for every application not Doctors verifying answers on an application as you well know. Your questions are totally irrelevant but. Q1 Yes. Q2 No, why on earth would I? I also regard them the same as Mayors of big cities (e.g. Burnham and Khan) and devolved Govt's, a total and utter waste of Taxpayers money. Edited July 24 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 24 Author Report Share Posted July 24 47 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: I was talking about the mandatory Medical Forms now required for every application not Doctors verifying answers on an application as you well know. Your questions are totally irrelevant but. Q1 Yes. Q2 No, why on earth would I? I also regard them the same as Mayors of big cities (e.g. Burnham and Khan) and devolved Govt's, a total and utter waste of Taxpayers money. Thanks for clarifying and I think there is value in contacting PCCs - the OP states that one of the PCCs commented on the high number of BASC members that had contacted him prior to his election in May – a reflection of the importance of engaging with elected representatives. As regards the 2021 statutory guidance that made medical verification for all certificate applicants mandatory the following may help: https://basc.org.uk/basc-medical-panels/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 Connor good post but i would like to see BASC talk to all the PCC.S and FLD.S to ask them to all sing from the same sheet as some counties are going back 20 years for medical problems and some going back 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 12 hours ago, armsid said: Connor good post but i would like to see BASC talk to all the PCC.S and FLD.S to ask them to all sing from the same sheet as some counties are going back 20 years for medical problems and some going back 10 Thanks, yes we are using every avenue to seek improvements and consistency of approach including meetings with PCCs. Two weblinks of interest below. https://basc.org.uk/firearms-licensing-is-in-crisis-basc-tells-parliamentary-committee-inquiry/ https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/BASC-response-to-Home-Office-firearms-consultation-final.pdf It will be the new policing minister that will make decisions impacting on firearms law and ownership and Labour’s Diane Johnson has been given the role. We have written to the minister asking for a meeting. BASC’s campaign during the Police and Crime Commissioner elections has secured commitments from 28 newly elected PCCs to improve firearms licensing. During the campaign no replies were received from the elected PCC for the following forces: Avon and Somerset, Bedfordshire, Cleveland, Derbyshire, Durham, Dyfed Powys, Lancashire, Merseyside, Northumbria, Nottinghamshire, West Midlands, If you have a certificate for any of the above areas please write to your new PCC asking them to ensure adequate resources are given to firearms licensing and setting up an independent advisory group. If you get a reply please forward to me at conor.ogorman@basc.org.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Glad to see BASC are on the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Conor O'Gorman - whilst we rarely agree, I have to say that your last response was positive and comprehensive. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 15 hours ago, armsid said: Connor good post but i would like to see BASC talk to all the PCC.S and FLD.S to ask them to all sing from the same sheet as some counties are going back 20 years for medical problems and some going back 10 And Conor given the enduring marker why is a GP report needed at the next application. Please do not say because not all GPs are putting the medical markers on certificate holders medical records because if so then god forbid when or if the next plymouth happens will the truth be told that the process does not work as the public think it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 15 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: Please do not say because not all GPs are putting the medical markers on certificate holders medical records because if so then god forbid when or if the next plymouth happens will the truth be told that the process does not work as the public think it does. An interesting observation I saw recently was that when you come across a GP that refuses to engage with the process and are forced to use one of the third party medical companies they get a copy of the medical record and not access to the patients record. As I understand it this means that they are not placing any markers resulting in those having used such a service not ending up with a marker on their medical records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 6 hours ago, Gordon R said: Conor O'Gorman - whilst we rarely agree, I have to say that your last response was positive and comprehensive. Well done. Thank you for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 25 Author Report Share Posted July 25 6 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: And Conor given the enduring marker why is a GP report needed at the next application. Please do not say because not all GPs are putting the medical markers on certificate holders medical records because if so then god forbid when or if the next plymouth happens will the truth be told that the process does not work as the public think it does. BASC has highlighted this issue and will continue to do so. Some links below from 2021 specifically on medical markers, which remain valid, as per your concerns. https://basc.org.uk/lack-of-gp-involvement-in-firearms-licensing-highlighted-in-the-times/ https://basc.org.uk/medical-issue-left-unanswered-in-home-office-firearms-licensing-statutory-guidance/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC has highlighted this issue and will continue to do so. Some links below from 2021 specifically on medical markers, which remain valid, as per your concerns. https://basc.org.uk/lack-of-gp-involvement-in-firearms-licensing-highlighted-in-the-times/ https://basc.org.uk/medical-issue-left-unanswered-in-home-office-firearms-licensing-statutory-guidance/ Thank you for the response, is there any data on the scale of the problem? example the number of applications each year where the applicant has used a third party GP to produce the GP report? And what is the trend year on year for the number of applicants using a third part GP? Do Basc collect any such data from its list of supportive GPs? Edited July 25 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 Is there any chance of finding out how many certs have been revoked due to historic medical problems that are and have not been present for a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 25 Report Share Posted July 25 as you cannot teach common sense I’m confident they still won’t be able to tell fact from fiction so the unnecessary revocations and seizures will continue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 My experience with Cheshire in the past has been excellent. My only hope is that they continue to provide the same good service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 26 Report Share Posted July 26 40 minutes ago, Genghis said: My experience with Cheshire in the past has been excellent. My only hope is that they continue to provide the same good service. And the same for Derbyshire firearms dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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