Dave-G Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: Dude, in what world do ordinary people take to the streets and riot? That’s neither ordinary people nor normal behaviour, surely!? Ordinary people being nice and orderly get ignored - the only way to get some redress is to kick off and make them take notice by not being pushovers... sorry to say that but its fact. Other 'peoples' got better treatment here because they kicked off in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 49 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Perhaps we should also be asking the rioters what it is they are rioting against. Has anyone asked them ? Do we need to ? The government and most of the media has already decided they are rioting because theyre all far right thugs, organised by the EDL or something ?? Maybe we could be asking the Asian gangs chasing after them with knives why theyre doing that, or are they just defending their turf innit bruv ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 17 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Ordinary people being nice and orderly get ignored - the only way to get some redress is to kick off and make them take notice by not being pushovers... sorry to say that but its fact. Other 'peoples' got better treatment here because they kicked off in the past. Theres a lot of truth in those statements Dave. Do certain sections of society get treated differently ? Thats a definite yes, we are clearly not all treated equally. Do certain sections of society with a propensity for violent disorder get treated differently when they riot ? Again yes, because we dont want to 'inflame tensions' Are we allowed to discuss this , perhaps call it a 2 tier system ? I think todays actions in London have made this clear that we must not, lest we incur the wrath of the most senior police officer in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 25 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Are we allowed to discuss this , perhaps call it a 2 tier system ? I think todays actions in London have made this clear that we must not, lest we incur the wrath of the most senior police officer in the country. What a prawn he is................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted August 5 Report Share Posted August 5 8 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Starmer couldn’t agree with BLM fast enough and was busy taking a knee in support, Apparently he went down that fast he had to have an operation (private despite his latter “I will only use NHS” - yeh right) 11 hours ago, toontastic said: They could obviously do with a few days training at Tin City in Sennelager never done tin city I am sure - but did rally round there in a brand spankers 90 when they first came out 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 14 hours ago, Penelope said: You need to understand that the powers that be do not want to stop it; they could have done so before if the will was there. The next general election is going to be interesting. If the strong anti-immigration sentiment is shared as widely as some are suggesting, then we may see Mr Farage in Downing Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 5 hours ago, Houseplant said: The next general election is going to be interesting. If the strong anti-immigration sentiment is shared as widely as some are suggesting, then we may see Mr Farage in Downing Street. I don't know if it will go that far, but Starmer needs to get on top of this or he will be just proving how inept many of us thought he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 7 hours ago, Houseplant said: The next general election is going to be interesting. If the strong anti-immigration sentiment is shared as widely as some are suggesting, then we may see Mr Farage in Downing Street. Nah, they'll find some extra votes down the back of the sofa to keep him out if it looks like getting close to that. Democracy is an illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 7 hours ago, Houseplant said: The next general election is going to be interesting. If the strong anti-immigration sentiment is shared as widely as some are suggesting, then we may see Mr Farage in Downing Street. Unless it's riggedthere no way on earth labour are seeing a another term in office I'd be surprised if they see this term out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 17 hours ago, Mungler said: I’m a big fan of Matt Goodwin. And here he nails it. Long but worth the read. What you are witnessing in Britain today is the direct result of failed policies that have been imposed on the country for much of the last 30 years. Mass, uncontrolled immigration. The refusal to do what needs to be done to regain control of our borders. The failure to integrate newcomers. The refusal to counter radical Islamism and even recognise the very obvious failings of multiculturalism. The continued promises to lower mass immigration only to then lie to the British people by doing the opposite. And the growing tendency among the radicalising "liberal" left -as we see again this weekend- to try and silence and stigmatise all those who have been pointing to these very obvious causes as "racists", "xenophobes", and "grifters". My view is this. If you are idiotic enough to break the law then you should be arrested. And if you are stupid enough to use violence against police officers and emergency workers then you should face the full force of the law. Much like those antisemitic, pro-Hamas, Black Lives Matter protestors and Islamist sympathisers should have faced consequences when they too broke the law. But what is also crystal clear is that these protests are just the tip of the iceberg. What lies beneath are millions of decent, hardworking, patriotic British people who have simply had enough of these disastrous policies, of being told they are "racist" or "far right" for wanting to change course, and who are routinely shut out of the national conversation. They are sick of an elite class that after watching British children be blown apart at pop concerts, murdered at dance classes, and sexually assaulted by Muslim gangs on an industrial scale continues to gaslight them by saying what this is really about is "social media", "misinformation", "disinformation", and "right-wing grifters coordinating riots from their holidays". As I say below --and no, I won't delete it--a serious response to these events begins with acknowledging that the status-quo is completely broken. No community in history has pursued this level of mass immigration and demographic change while having no integration strategy and come out on the other side as a healthy, vibrant, strong, high-trust, prosperous society. So what do we need to do? We need to end the policy of mass immigration. We need a freeze on all non-essential migration so that we at least stand a chance of absorbing and managing the record migration of the last quarter-century. We need to leave the ECHR, reform the Human Rights Act, and do whatever we can to regain control of our own borders. A country that cannot even control who is coming in and out is not a serious country. We need a new debate and policy on immigration in this country which, in my view, has now become far too dependent on people from outside Europe, who neither share our values nor way of life. We need to protect and promote free speech, free expression and free assembly so that people feel they have a voice, not rush to shut it down because the ruling class no longer understands what is happening. And we need, in short, to be doing the very opposite of what the current Labour government is doing, and what the previous Conservative governments accelerated. And we need to start doing it now. He talks a lot of sense, always has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 Hello, Interesting comment made by Elon Musk, UK is heading for a Civil War !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 14 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What a prawn he is................ Was going to correct you but realised that you were also right so let your 'r' in your crustacean be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 Way things are going and if they get worse prehaps a military coup wouldnt be such a bad thing. 🤣Get a government in that really does have this country’s values in its interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 On 05/08/2024 at 10:09, Penelope said: You need to understand that the powers that be do not want to stop it; they could have done so before if the will was there. Absolutely. Houseplant made the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 16 hours ago, Rewulf said: Has anyone asked them ? Do we need to ? The government and most of the media has already decided they are rioting because theyre all far right thugs, organised by the EDL or something ?? Maybe we could be asking the Asian gangs chasing after them with knives why theyre doing that, or are they just defending their turf innit bruv ? Have you got footage of Asians with knives chasing people? Yesterday I read about the journo in Brum reportedly being chased by knife wielding Asians. This morning I read the article from the actual journo suggesting they were chased by a group carrying something resembling a metal pipe. Which is the truth? I’m not sticking up for the Asian mobs but in the videos I’ve seen they are not setting bins and cars alight. There is one imbecile shown throwing a rock at an establishment but that’s all the “rioting” I saw. To be clear, I’m not saying that’s how it is everywhere but that is what I saw in the video. 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Interesting comment made by Elon Musk, UK is heading for a Civil War !!!!! It’s all part of his Tesla marketing campaign, going really well for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 13 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Have you got footage of Asians with knives chasing people? Yes. Theres the video of the 2 stabbed white chaps and on the Telegraph webby right now there’s a masked Muslim chap with a knife slashing the tyres of the Journo Mercedes Vito. None so blind as those who refuse to see… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 Naughty white far right rioters https://www.facebook.com/reel/3928231830741982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 27 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Yesterday I read about the journo in Brum reportedly being chased by knife wielding Asians. This morning I read the article from the actual journo suggesting they were chased by a group carrying something resembling a metal pipe. Which is the truth? Possibly in the video I've just linked you to, but a pipe is still a weapon, or is it standard attire along with a face covering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 33 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Yesterday I read about the journo in Brum reportedly being chased by knife wielding Asians. This morning I read the article from the actual journo suggesting they were chased by a group carrying something resembling a metal pipe. Which is the truth? Does it matter much whether it was a knife or a pipe ? Why are they chasing journalists ? Why are they masked ? Did they stab the van tyres with a pipe ? There wasnt even an anti migrant demonstration going on in Birmingham ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 The journo representation of what is happening is incredible and it's not fooling anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Does it matter much whether it was a knife or a pipe ? Why are they chasing journalists ? Why are they masked ? Did they stab the van tyres with a pipe ? There wasnt even an anti migrant demonstration going on in Birmingham ! The idiot on the bike saying Free palastine, what on earth has that got to do with Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 On 04/08/2024 at 15:32, ditchman said: its sort of complicated.... factors involved the hot weather EDL involvement lack of refusal to adopt British values/morals by immigrants govt not stopping the inflow of migrants housing stock being taken up thick people media controlling the narrative social media inflaming the narrative lack of decent well paid jobs high taxes irresponsible thick parents successive weak govts wokeism the list goes on............................the immigrants get the carp as they are tangible...they can be seen so they get it....all the other things are efemeral.....taxes...education...decent jobs etc it will get worse believe you me....alot worse.... Yes but apart from that every is spiffing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Mungler said: None so blind as those who refuse to see… Indeed. But I think the jig is up. The issue here is the prime minister, and his room-temperature IQ (in Celsius) Home Secretary, are still about as delusionally excited as a blind lesbian who’s accidentally stumbled into a fish mongers. They have utterly failed to ‘read the room’, unless the room in question is a trendy wine bar in Islington. The fact that Musk is calling him out is a sad indictment, ultimately it's helpful though as it forces no 10 to deny there’s a problem, yet again The people who continue to support the PM for his response to this, who for no particular reason I’m going to refer to as the ‘be better brigade’, are dropping like flies. All it needs is for a couple for of his front bench to get the message and start revolting (sic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, Mungler said: Yes. Theres the video of the 2 stabbed white chaps and on the Telegraph webby right now there’s a masked Muslim chap with a knife slashing the tyres of the Journo Mercedes Vito. None so blind as those who refuse to see… Will look. Must you have a pop at every opportunity… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 6 Report Share Posted August 6 16 hours ago, Dave-G said: Ordinary people being nice and orderly get ignored - the only way to get some redress is to kick off and make them take notice by not being pushovers... sorry to say that but its fact. Other 'peoples' got better treatment here because they kicked off in the past. Starmer and others are projecting the protesting as "just" mindless Far Right thugs. The implication being they don't deserve to have to have their reasons for protesting taken seriously. I would say to Starmer read the signs and take them seriously. Just trying to slag the protestors off by name calling and threatening them is not going make them go away. Talking tough is not fooling anyone when everyone knows you are weak Hiding behind the police is not going to stop them for long either. The Police have done a great job, brave men and women, but they are going to be too stretched to hold the line if it really kicks off. Besides, it's not fair on the police to be used in that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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