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1 hour ago, oowee said:

German electricity prices in 2020 were 31.47 euro cents per kW⋅h (They are now 40 cents per KW//h)  for residential customers (an increase of 126% since 2000),[10] and 17.8 euro cents per kW⋅h for non-residential customers (21.8 with taxes).[11][12][13]

Components Electricity Price Germany Components of the German Electricity Price for Households Source

German households and small businesses pay the highest electricity price in Europe for many years in a row now. More than half of the power price consists of components determined by the state (53%). These taxes, levies and surcharges have tripled since 2000 [from 5.19 to 16.49 Euro Cents]. These include levies for financing investment in renewable energy (22.1%) and for other kinds of taxes (e.g. GST 19%). Grid charges account for almost 25%, and only the remaining 22% are used to actually generate the electricity.

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1 minute ago, harkom said:

The leader of the pack at the cliff edge.....but not too many Lemmings in the rear?

It's coming for most of the world despite some of the headlines. Hopefully we can use our lead to advantage in the growing renewable industry. 

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8 hours ago, old'un said:

Yes, the switch from cheap-ish coal towards more expensive gas and renewables should put the final nail in the coffin for steel production in the UK, yes we do seem to lead the world in stupid.

Definitely lead by donkeys ! Our stupidity knows no limit it seems.

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oowee - any update on Russia, China, India et all closing coal fired power stations? Not sure what this "lead" is. We just shift the nasty emissions to another part of the globe and boast about how clever we are. It is genuinely beyond pathetic.

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12 minutes ago, oowee said:

It's coming for most of the world despite some of the headlines.

That clearly isnt remotely true.

 

13 minutes ago, oowee said:

Hopefully we can use our lead to advantage in the growing renewable industry.

Its not a 'lead' or an advantage, its like cutting off your foot and thinking it'll make you run faster.
Virtue signalling to a world that doesnt care.

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4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

That clearly isnt remotely true.

 

Its not a 'lead' or an advantage, its like cutting off your foot and thinking it'll make you run faster.
Virtue signalling to a world that doesnt care.

 On what basis?

50% more renewable world wide in 23 than 22. By 2025 1/3 of worlds electricity from renewables. Accepting that the figures are distorted by the huge program and spend in China. 

*Wef

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1 hour ago, oowee said:

 On what basis?

50% more renewable world wide in 23 than 22. By 2025 1/3 of worlds electricity from renewables. Accepting that the figures are distorted by the huge program and spend in China. 

*Wef

Which 'world' are we talking about ?

There are very few countries that have 50 % of their electricity from renewable right now, are you saying this is going to change within the next year ?

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10 hours ago, mellors said:

As of yesterday it already has done port talbot gone tata to build a new one india so we can import steel very kind of them.

I doubt very much the electric furnaces they say are coming in the nxt three years with compensate loss of jobs and production. 

Not looking good for s****horpe now. 

 


Seems similar to the USA.
 

Shipping the expense of labour and manufacturing abroad where they can pay space wages. 

 

I suppose it comes down to the consumer though… do we go out and pay twice the price for a British made product? 
 

Even people on this site buy their stuff online a lot, cheap deals etc… well it comes around full circle. 

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3 hours ago, Gordon R said:

oowee - any update on Russia, China, India et all closing coal fired power stations? Not sure what this "lead" is. We just shift the nasty emissions to another part of the globe and boast about how clever we are. It is genuinely beyond pathetic.

What about USA and fracking?

The key thing about all these countries is that they are burning their own carbon reserves to produce their own energy.

Where as we close down our pits and buy energy from abroad in various forms. You really couldn't make it up

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12 hours ago, old man said:

These clowns just seem to have completed the big UK give away started  by the milk snatcher?

Laughing stock of the world?

It was Bliar who rushed through the “clean air” agenda.

His advisors told him that we could possibly be carbon neutral by a certain date but when he went into the conference he knocked another 10-15 years of it with no data to back it up 🤷🏻‍♂️

:shaun:

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11 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Which 'world' are we talking about ?

There are very few countries that have 50 % of their electricity from renewable right now, are you saying this is going to change within the next year ?

Read again the quote from WEF. 'More' is the operative word. 

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9 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

It was Bliar who rushed through the “clean air” agenda.

His advisors told him that we could possibly be carbon neutral by a certain date but when he went into the conference he knocked another 10-15 years of it with no data to back it up 🤷🏻‍♂️

:shaun:

Agreed but the rot started with Thatchers mob who conned everyone into the myth that competition was best? In reality it just fed money to their mates and created a bizarre situation where profit could be siphoned off from the NHS etc into private hands?

How does that work for the populace?

All politicians seem to do is make things worse for the country and indigenous population?

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54 minutes ago, Scully said:

But then we need to remember there is an agenda at work here. 

Absolutely.

Speaking of agendas...

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Read again the quote from WEF. 'More' is the operative word. 

More is the operative word, but more of what for whom ?
Do you really trust the WEF has the best interests of you and me at heart ?

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1 hour ago, islandgun said:

Sustainable, carbon neutral, renewable are some of the words that are currently used to describe the harnessing of wind for power but on the scale we need, opposite words apply, un-sustainable, not carbon neutral or renewable. How long do wind farms last in the north sea ?

RFK Jr's interview with Jordan Peterson, is quite enlightening on this matter. It's available on YouTube.

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1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Absolutely.

Speaking of agendas...

More is the operative word, but more of what for whom ?
Do you really trust the WEF has the best interests of you and me at heart ?

What does any of that have to do with the price of fish? 

Even the WEF can count. 

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