Mutiny Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 After a chat last night I may have acquired a flight pond to shoot, unfortunately there are a couple of criteria to work around: Low noise non toxic as shooting wildfowl fibre wads as there is livestock in the field/adjacent fields to the pond So I’ve come to the conclusion that bismuth will be the way to go. Dont suppose anyone has any data they’d be willing to share? Not too fussed about the cost as it will be split 3 ways, and its got to be better than £45 a box or regular 20 bore bismuth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 38 minutes ago, Mutiny said: After a chat last night I may have acquired a flight pond to shoot, unfortunately there are a couple of criteria to work around: Low noise non toxic as shooting wildfowl fibre wads as there is livestock in the field/adjacent fields to the pond So I’ve come to the conclusion that bismuth will be the way to go. Dont suppose anyone has any data they’d be willing to share? Not too fussed about the cost as it will be split 3 ways, and its got to be better than £45 a box or regular 20 bore bismuth Shop bought Steel eco wad in 20 ga would be your easiest option perfectly fine for a flight pond . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) I think they won't kill. Bismuth is less dense than lead so less ballistically efficient. And ANY round ball is pretty poor anyway. So starting it off slow it's going to get slower sooner that a denser shot of the same diameter. I think that unless you are taking shots under twenty-five yards (which may well be the case on a flight pond) that you'll find them literally rattling off the duck breasts at forty yards or not giving shots that penetrate through to a vital killing spot. If you going to go for it them maybe select a minimum of shot size #3 and load a full fat one ounce? As to any recipes I regret that I cannot help and reduced loads risk wads left in a barrel. For the shots you may well take I'd stock with factory standard bismuth and not take that chance. Edited November 10 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 A post from CumbrianWildfowler in this section on September 9th may give you food for thought. He has also posted several pieces in the Wildfowling section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted November 10 Author Report Share Posted November 10 52 minutes ago, holloway said: Shop bought Steel eco wad in 20 ga would be your easiest option perfectly fine for a flight pond . I did wonder about them, but haven’t seen many good reports on them, most reviews are poor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 Buy some 12 bore subsonic cartridges, open them up carefully preserving the crimp empty out the lead shot and refill with bismuth and recrimp, the reloading purists migt be against it but it will work fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted November 10 Author Report Share Posted November 10 Enfield - you may be right, I’m hoping someone has already done it and will prove you wrong though. I do have a few kg of tss i could use, but then I’m back to the issue with paswads. pushandpull thanks I’ll go for a look for those posts now aberisle - ha that is an option, i’d rather reload if possible though as then i can reload regular subs as well. Plus im already reloading for the 10 & 12 so whats one more calibre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianWildfowler Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 Subsonic bismuth do work. I’ve loaded them this season and shot all kinds of stuff with them. Flattens rabbits. Number 4s or 3s will kill ducks all day long at flight pond ranges. Watch one of my films on YouTube for tested data. It’s all in 12 though. I have data for 20 gauge but it’s not been tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 3 hours ago, holloway said: Shop bought Steel eco wad in 20 ga would be your easiest option perfectly fine for a flight pond . Gun mart and shooting uk both had very positive reviews on eley eco wad steel as have many pigeon watch members, its usually the wildfowlers that are worth listening to as they use them all the time ,as i said myself perfectly adequate for your needs why complicate things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 10 hours ago, aberisle said: Buy some 12 bore subsonic cartridges, open them up carefully preserving the crimp empty out the lead shot and refill with bismuth and recrimp, the reloading purists migt be against it but it will work fine How will they fit in his 20 bore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutiny Posted November 11 Author Report Share Posted November 11 8 hours ago, CumbrianWildfowler said: Subsonic bismuth do work. I’ve loaded them this season and shot all kinds of stuff with them. Flattens rabbits. Number 4s or 3s will kill ducks all day long at flight pond ranges. Watch one of my films on YouTube for tested data. It’s all in 12 though. I have data for 20 gauge but it’s not been tested. I watched one of your videos, very interesting. I’ll PM you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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