LeadWasp Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 8 minutes ago, ditchman said: on a tangent ....i have read that the North Koreans are having a wonderful time on the front in Ukraine ..where they are revelling in unfetted access to the internet and are experiencing the joys of free porn ..... it has been reported that they are phyisically knocking themselves out in the trenches pulling one or 2 out now and again....... It pays to be carefull with radio messages (the old 'send three and fourpence')...but for a burst of static the Russians would have found out that it was crack one off troops they were being offered 😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ditchman said: on a tangent ....i have read that the North Koreans are having a wonderful time on the front in Ukraine ..where they are revelling in unfetted access to the internet and are experiencing the joys of free porn ..... it has been reported that they are phyisically knocking themselves out in the trenches pulling one or 2 out now and again....... I saw what was purported to be a NK soldier uncontrollably shaking in a dugout. Looks to be severe brain damage. Edited November 18 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeadWasp Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 On a more serious note, apart from the fact that they are dangerous because they know no better I'd feel really very sorry for the poor N Koreans. More victims in this pointless agression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 Add to which there is incentive for Kim for them not to return. They eat food and would have alternative views of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 59 minutes ago, ordnance said: So how do you respond then 🤔 Hm good point, I guess mediate, discuss, look for compromise, arrange terms for peace. Got to be better than the old man politician willy waving stance from all sides which will end in innocent blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 1 hour ago, islandgun said: Hm good point, I guess mediate, discuss, look for compromise, arrange terms for peace. Got to be better than the old man politician willy waving stance from all sides which will end in innocent blood I get what you are saying, but world leaders were queuing up to appease and try and convince Putin not to invade Ukraine but he ignored them and did it anyway. If there had been a stronger response when Russia occupied Crimea in 2014 were might not be having this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 5 hours ago, Stonepark said: Classic strawman argument, ignore everything else as irrelevant but the facts that suit your point of view War will end when Ukraine negotiates a surrender or is beaten completely. Ignore what facts? Everything being discussed happen after Russia invaded Ukraine, there would be no war if Russia had not invaded and there would be no war if Russia pulled out. Of course there are other complex issues, but stripped back, the reason there is a war, is due to a Russian invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 18 Report Share Posted November 18 31 minutes ago, ordnance said: I get what you are saying, but world leaders were queuing up to appease and try and convince Putin not to invade Ukraine but he ignored them and did it anyway. If there had been a stronger response when Russia occupied Crimea in 2014 were might not be having this discussion. Aye that's an if, threats, sanctions and a proxy war haven't worked, is upping the ante going to solve it or make it worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 14 hours ago, islandgun said: Aye that's an if, threats, sanctions and a proxy war haven't worked, is upping the ante going to solve it or make it worse It's not a proxy war, America the UK and others give Ukraine security garentees when they give up their nuclear weapons. Now is the time to honor those garentees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 15 hours ago, islandgun said: Aye that's an if, threats, sanctions and a proxy war haven't worked, is upping the ante going to solve it or make it worse Those sanctions are biting hard. Rouble at 1 cent, inflation at 27%, stagflation, no mortgages, labour shortages, wage inflation spiral. Putin has few options available. Russia has two. Why are we not banning Oligarch kids from the UK? Seizing residential assets? Banning travel, into or through the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 2 hours ago, ordnance said: It's not a proxy war, America the UK and others give Ukraine security garentees when they give up their nuclear weapons. Now is the time to honor those garentees 49 minutes ago, oowee said: Those sanctions are biting hard. Rouble at 1 cent, inflation at 27%, stagflation, no mortgages, labour shortages, wage inflation spiral. Putin has few options available. Russia has two. Why are we not banning Oligarch kids from the UK? Seizing residential assets? Banning travel, into or through the UK? Not seeing how either option will actually stop a war, given that putin would rather his population starved or burnt than concede victory. I guess compromise but how do you reach a compromise with an aggressor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 3 minutes ago, islandgun said: Not seeing how either option will actually stop a war, given that putin would rather his population starved or burnt than concede victory. I guess compromise but how do you reach a compromise with an aggressor Kill him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 I think that could end up very badly. If Putin goes, what guarantee do we have that his successor will be more reasonable? Got to be honest - banning Russians or their kids from UK travel made me smile. We happily let terrorists, rapists, gangsters and murderers in, but not Russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 1 hour ago, oowee said: Kill him. Perhaps Russia is due a revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 19 Report Share Posted November 19 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I think that could end up very badly. If Putin goes, what guarantee do we have that his successor will be more reasonable? Got to be honest - banning Russians or their kids from UK travel made me smile. We happily let terrorists, rapists, gangsters and murderers in, but not Russians. Who will die first Kadyrov or Putin? There are plenty of unhappy Oligarchs that would want him out the way. Just now, islandgun said: Perhaps Russia is due a revolution I think so. The Wild Berries dispute is a close run thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted Saturday at 21:26 Report Share Posted Saturday at 21:26 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/23/the-ukraine-missile-crisis-putins-shadow-war-against-the-west-finally-breaks-cover I'm thinking Putin has used the new missile capability to flex his muscles with less risk of starting a nuke strike either way. I'm not aware if we have anything with similar range and speed. Edited Saturday at 21:26 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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