Miserableolgit Posted Monday at 20:35 Report Share Posted Monday at 20:35 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: i can remember the conversation my wife and i had...in the staff room with the doctor...we asked to see the doctor and he made time and a private area to have the conversation...i remember it very very well altho it was over 2 decades ago.....i / we had never heard of Liverpool pathway or assisted death............it was a truthful and frank and honest conversation.... even now i feel a great sense of relief talking about it....as it was so dignified as to how it was handled........this is how (as i now know) how things were handled in the old days... I am glad it was like that for you DM. Having had a brief chat with my wife just now reminded me how aggrieved she, as next of kin, nor her mother - who still had 'all her marbles' - was because neither of them were at any stage consulted before the implementation of the 'pathway'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted Monday at 20:41 Report Share Posted Monday at 20:41 In principle I'm fully behind the idea. The problem is the human element. Frankly I don't trust all doctors and nurses to have the persons best interests at heart. I'm not blaming them, but when you see death everyday, your loved ones demise is just a regular Tuesday to them, I've seen it with family already, let alone if assisted dying we're aloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted Monday at 20:42 Report Share Posted Monday at 20:42 1 minute ago, Miserableolgit said: I am glad it was like that for you DM. Having had a brief chat with my wife just now reminded me how aggrieved she, as next of kin, nor her mother - who still had 'all her marbles' - was because neither of them were at any stage consulted before the implementation of the 'pathway'. the reason you wernt consulted is because it is illeagal to kill someone.................often the old ways are the best and then the woke /liberal/.left wing school get hold of it and start to (what was perfectly adiquate in the first place) and "tinker with the issue... which really is a recipe of the modern ills of today....politically and medically dont get me started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted Monday at 21:17 Report Share Posted Monday at 21:17 Ahh yes the "Liverpool Pathway" --- another of A B liars wonderful policies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted Tuesday at 08:44 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:44 (edited) 14 hours ago, welsh1 said: My worry with assisted dying is coersion, in canada there seems to be a creep from you asking, to practitioners suggesting, and if you are vulnerable this shouldn't be allowed. This, this and this!!! I believe that there is a disabled female veteran, was offered MAID, when all she was asking for is assistance with living. Edited Tuesday at 08:50 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted Tuesday at 08:59 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:59 13 hours ago, Miserableolgit said: To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted Tuesday at 10:37 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:37 The proposed Bill for Assisted Dying has safeguards including sign off by two doctors and a High Court Judge for each case. I wonder just how quickly this process could move forward. Two doctors, probably not too slow but a High Court Judge? Would one really be available to consider a case in time to make the decision relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted Tuesday at 12:12 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:12 fact the gov will leave you in agony or let you die to save money on treatment or drugs says this has nothing to do with ease of suffering and everything to do with a cheap bullet for those they see as a burden! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Just listening to the debate on the radio now. I understand protecting the vulnerable those that might be subject to pressure but little thought for the thousands that want a way out. If faced with the reality of a prolonged, painful and miserable last few months of my own life then I would want that choice. In my view the bill does not go far enough. Edited 4 hours ago by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago On 25/11/2024 at 19:44, Miserableolgit said: To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. 1 hour ago, oowee said: Just listening to the debate on the radio now. I understand protecting the vulnerable those that might be subject to pressure but little thought for the thousands that want a way out. If faced with the reality of a prolonged, painful and miserable last few months of my own life then I would want that choice. In my view the bill does not go far enough. Fairly sure this will fail as we seem to have a failed view on how to be humane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 12 minutes ago, old man said: Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. Fairly sure this will fail as we seem to have a failed view on how to be humane? Seems the bill has been passed now. A step backwards in my opinion. A radio show I listened to yesterday had a palliative care expert on saying most countries that pass assisted suicide bills then go on to reduce spending in palliative care. You can see how that would encourage people towards assisted suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Rob85 said: Seems the bill has been passed now. A step backwards in my opinion. A radio show I listened to yesterday had a palliative care expert on saying most countries that pass assisted suicide bills then go on to reduce spending in palliative care. You can see how that would encourage people towards assisted suicide The two things don't have to be exclusive. What the debate has done is raise the issue of palliative care, which can only be a good thing. To reject the bill would be to ensure the suffering of thousands that would want the opportunity to exercise their choice. There is much work to do before this can become law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, oowee said: In my view the bill does not go far enough. Quite agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago Ive rolled this one over and over in my mind , and I just can't come to a yes or no . I think the government would be better to give the vote to 500 people that are terminally ill , and see what they think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, mel b3 said: 8 minutes ago, mel b3 said: Ive rolled this one over and over in my mind , and I just can't come to a yes or no . Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted 59 minutes ago Report Share Posted 59 minutes ago 35 minutes ago, London Best said: Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ It is, but it’s also the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted 48 minutes ago Report Share Posted 48 minutes ago 45 minutes ago, London Best said: Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ 9 minutes ago, Boristhedog said: It is, but it’s also the right thing to do. That's why I'm struggling with it , because even totally opposite opinions, are both the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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