Bryn Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Jusr read an article in this weeks ST and the author recommends tha .17 Remington 20 or v25 grain bullet? I thought that the suggested calibre for fox was .223? Just wondering what is the opinion of all you who shoot charlie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 .243 is a good one 17 rem is an awsome little calibre personal favourite is .204 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 The .17 remington is a seriously fast little round, so is more than capable of knocking down a Fox. It runs at about 4000fps! I think it's a .223 case necked down to .17, so there's a fair weight of powder behind it too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 .17 Remington not .17 hmr. do a search if still confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted November 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 .17 Remington not .17 hmr. do a search if still confused. Did search found some interesting results concerning velocities, what does hmr stand for? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 .17hmr - hornady magnum rimfire pushs a 17gr bullet at around 2600fps .17rem - remington pushs a 25gr?? bullet over 4000fps for comparison a .223 i think averages about 2100 roughly with maybe a 50gr and a .22lr with 40gr is around 1100fps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 .17REM will do the job. .17HMR is NOT a dedicated foxing rifle. I have a .223 for fox, very effective it is too. If I were getting a new rifle I think I would get a .22-250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I used to have a 0.17Rem for a couple of years. My previous foxing rifles were a 0.223, then a 22-250, added a 0.17Rem and then got rid of both to go back to a 0.223. I shot a lot of foxes with the 0.17, and so why did I change? The 0.17 was a little more difficult to reload, but once the appropriate handload was found it was OK, as long as you were very careful in being meticulous in all the normal aspects of reloading. I used 25g bullets. As with all small high velocity bullets you had less opportunities for poor bullet placement - as someone said to me once, would you like to be hit in the right place by a high velocity pebble, or slightly off-centre by a slower housebrick? You can debate this all day, but it was my experience that the 25g bullet was more affected by wind, and as in all aspects of shooting it's confidence that matters. I had a couple of foxes that were hit and didn't go down straight away, and that was it. If you want an exotic round, then OK, you can warrant a 0.17Rem (or a 0.204, or whatever). There is some satisfaction in saying I've got something different, with a bit of mystique to it - until you want to try and sell it. However, in the real world it was my experience that the 0.223 would do all that the 0.17 would do and more - especially with the new V max bullets that give superb fragmentation. You can't beat picking up a fox with no exit wound, and it sloshes about inside when you shake it - a very dead fox that drops in a heap with no twitch. I didn't go back to a 22-250 because for the ranges that I shoot at, I didn't feel that I needed it - most of my foxes are shot at a range of less than 200 yards. Now if I had nice flat fields to shoot over, then the extra 50 yards range of the 22-250 might make me reconsider, but I shoot mainly in the Welsh hills at night and most foxes are shot at 100-150 yards, with the odd one at 200 yards. Shooting foxes at 300 yards did attract me once, but 300 yards on a dark, windy night with the distractions of numerous sheep about makes me nervous - it's a helluva long way. It's all right to boast about good 300 yard groups on a range, but when you are lying in a cow pat, on uneven ground, on a windy night then you want everything in your favour to be certain of a kill. That's why I don't take 300 yard shots at night - but it may be OK on a flat fenland field. Hope that the above makes sense. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Well said Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nice one Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 .17hmr - hornady magnum rimfire pushs a 17gr bullet at around 2600fps.17rem - remington pushs a 25gr?? bullet over 4000fps for comparison a .223 i think averages about 2100 roughly with maybe a 50gr and a .22lr with 40gr is around 1100fps .223 factory will push 50 grainers along at 3200fps to 3300fps ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 The .17rem falls in the home orifice guild line bracket of vermin and fox along with the .22hornet, never had any experience of one, however I have been doing a lot of research recently into the 17cf cals and the .17 fireball / mk4 is up there with the 17 rem, but with less powder as much speed and may be better accuracy, myself I've been looking at a 17AH or 17bee, all good stuff with velocity around the 3900fps to 4100fps, ideal for longer range crows and magpies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_HMR Posted November 27, 2007 Report Share Posted November 27, 2007 .17hmr - hornady magnum rimfire pushs a 17gr bullet at around 2600fps.17rem - remington pushs a 25gr?? bullet over 4000fps for comparison a .223 i think averages about 2100 roughly with maybe a 50gr and a .22lr with 40gr is around 1100fps .223 factory will push 50 grainers along at 3200fps to 3300fps ish Opps although i did say roughly sorry if its a bit in accurate numbers off the top of my head and i dont shoot CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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